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Alex - very interesting! Thanks for the post
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St. Dimitri of Rostov was a devotee of the Immaculate Conception.
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Eastern Catholics are required to believe what Rome does but the high-church easternising position, if it's honest about remaining under Rome, sees those teachings as compatible: translatable into 'Easternese'. Aren't Byzantine Catholics "in communion with Rome" rather than "under Rome"?
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there is no such a thing..orthodox in communion with Rome...
it sounds like a joke...anyone who considers the pope as the head of the church, belongs to papism and has nothing in common with the orthodox church.
(more about the orthodox view,) I believe that the Pope of Rome, as the successor of Saint Peter, is first among equals and Shepherd of the Church on earth. If I am not mistaken, that is what the Eastern Church believed before the separation.
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Wow! I never knew that. Was the idea of the "immaculate conception" of Mary the same in Kyivan Rus the same as in the West? In other words, could there have been a different understanding of the definition?
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Perhaps to clarify things we might refer to our slightly estranged brothers as "our Orthodox brethren who do not as yet enjoy full communion with the First among the Bishops".
Meanwhile, take heart. I'm still basking in that London newspaper headline the morning after the election - the banner headline on the front page read "Cardinals Elect Orthodox Pope"
What more could we ask?
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there is no such a thing..orthodox in communion with Rome...
it sounds like a joke...anyone who considers the pope as the head of the church, belongs to papism and has nothing in common with the orthodox church.
(more about the orthodox view, I believe that the Pope of Rome, as the successor of Saint Peter, is first among equals and Shepherd of the Church on earth. If I am not mistaken, that is what the Eastern Church believed before the separation.
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Misha,
You are a new member here that in the few posts that you have made today has sparked a number of complaints to the administrators. Your tone towards other posters and manner of respect displayed are unacceptable. You will either tone it down and show the respect and charity towards others befitting a Christian on this forum as you agreed to when you registered, or your posting privileges will be terminated.
In IC XC,
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Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Eastern Orthodoxy is often called the "Church of the Seven Ecumenical Councils." These Councils were held in the first 800 years of the undivided Church. Can somebody cite what the Councils decreed about the role of the Pope of Rome?
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Eastern Orthodoxy is often called the "Church of the Seven Ecumenical Councils." These Councils were held in the first 800 years of the undivided Church. Can somebody cite what the Councils decreed about the role of the Pope of Rome?
Ray This is a Catholic page but the info is unbiased - it lists all of the references to the Pope of Rome in the first 7 Ecumenical Councils. http://www.globalserve.net/~bumblebee/ecclesia/ecu.htm
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Thank you for your quick response.
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Eastern Orthodoxy is often called the "Church of the Seven Ecumenical Councils." These Councils were held in the first 800 years of the undivided Church. Can somebody cite what the Councils decreed about the role of the Pope of Rome?
Ray One could consider how the Council of Chalcedon ranked Rome first among the apostolic sees.
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Yes, but Chalcedon is controversial for Roman Catholics because it accorded Constantinople equal privileges with Rome.
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Yes, but Chalcedon is controversial for Roman Catholics because it accorded Constantinople equal privileges with Rome. This would further help my position that the Bishop of Rome is first among equals.
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Dear JR,
You are more than correct - and St Dmitri was actually called up on the carpet by the Synod to examine his views on the Immaculate Conception at one point (Met. Ohienko, Sv. Dmitry Tuptalo).
The OCA site, in its calendar under "Conception of St Anne," states that the icon for this feast depicts the Mother of God in full stature, with hands lowered from which flow blessings - and she is flanked by icons of her parents.
Sounds very much like the depiction on the Miraculous Medal to me!
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