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Here is an article ("Higher Calling: A woman is ordained to the Catholic priesthood. Not surprisingly, the hierarchy does not approve.") from Newsweak...I mean NewsWEEK on the event:

http://www.msnbc.msn.com/id/20747812/site/newsweek/

Here is another article I found more interesting:

http://www.splendoroftruth.com/curtjester/archives/008353.php

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I have quite an announcement to make. I am now a reporter for Newsweek magazine! I always felt a call to be a reporter for Newsweek magazine so this is something very important for me. I can't tell you how thrilled I am at this news and the impact this has on my life and hopefully the lives of others.

The hierarchy of Newsweek magazine though doesn't recognize my call to be a reporter for them. So I had to have reporter credentials given me by an Ecumenical magazine group that also see themselves nevertheless as Newsweek employees and don't recognize the authority of Newsweek's editors to make hiring decisions.

So for my first article as a Newsweek employee I am going to interview myself, this way nobody can charge me with making up interviews as in the case of ABC's Alexis Debat.

NEWSWEEK: What made you decide to become a Newsweek reporter?

Jeff Miller: It was a long process that started at a very young age. I grew up reading bad religion reporting and was always attracted to Newsweek's egregious reporting and I was affirmed by others that I had gifts for bad reporting.

Have you heard from the Newsweek hierarchy?

The reporting community I belong to hasn't felt anything from the editors, but local stringers have informed others not to read my reporting since I wasn't a "validly credentialed" reporters for Newsweek.

How has your family handled your decision? Are they still Newsweek readers?

They are. They are actually incredibly supportive. My immediate family came for my giving a Newsweek credentials. My grandmother bought me an old typewriter.

How many people read your Newsweek articles?

We have 80 registered members. And we have a number of people who come who are subscribe to Newsweek but who come to read with us as a place to refresh their souls�a lot of them are ex-Newsweek readers who are uncomfortable with Newsweek's discriminatory hiring practices.

Do you know the other Ecumenically credentialed Newsweek reporters?

In the Ecumenical Newsweek Communion there are six other reporters. I know all of them. In the Ecumenical Reporters Communion we no longer claim that we�re underneath the authority of the editors. [There�s also a group called the Roman Newsweek Reporters, which also credentials some reporters.] During the last several years there have been organized giving of Newsweek reporter credentials primarily on river boats.

Have you received any hate mail?

I personally have not received hate mail, although there are plenty of blogs that I have found online that like to slander my name when they get hold of information about my credentials. It�s unfortunate and sad. The people I serve are excited to see a place where men and women can read my articles side by side. Just because I wasn't actually hired by Newsweek and I receive no salary from them or actually turn my stories over to them to be published doesn't prevent me from being a validly credentialed Newsweek reporters. Defenders of Newsweek's reporter tradition says that since founders of Newsweek (Ward Cheney, John Hay Whitney, and Paul Mellon) didn't allow people to call themselves Newsweek reporters without actually being hired by them that this can't be changed. There has been recent archaeological evidence in Newsweek headquarters of a statue of a reporter who does not seem to have ever been on their pay role. I think this is evidence of self-named Newsweek reporters in the early history of the magazine. If only people would get with the modern time and to understand how discriminatory Newsweek's present hiring practices are by not hiring everybody that would apply.

Is there anything else you wish people knew?

It�s important to me that people see that I did what the others do to prepare to be a reporter. I took that traditional path. I got a certificate from an online journalism school for a reasonable fee. I forced myself to cover local news of minor happenings to prepare myself. I just wish more reporters who find themselves alienated from the magazine could find a magazine home. I am taking this step forward so that others in the future will have the opportunity to be a Newsweek reporter without having to face their discriminatory hiring practice of only hiring those with a journalism degree and having the ability to write and to act as a reporter.

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I hesitate to post this here, since it is so inherently blasphemous. But doesn't this icon just say it all....the iconic image of the broken body of Christ?

http://sandamianochurch.com/news/news_jess2.html

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Originally Posted by ebed melech
doesn't this "icon" just say it all....the image of the broken body of Christ?

Yes, it is revolting to me. sick

-- John

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Originally Posted by JohnS.

I'll confess that I failed to read past the first paragraphs.

I'll merely add my two cents: people who yearn for female ordination should simply join a denomination that already allows that: Methodists, Episcopalians, AG, etc.

Personally anymore, I do not have a problem with female ordination per se. In my opinion, if a woman was good enough for the Incarnation of the Eternal Word, a woman can also be good enough to be clergy.

However, I know that many people (especially at this Forum) disagree. I don't want to debate the issue because it has already been debated at this Forum many times and quite thoroughly.

Instead, I just wish that people would be honest with themselves and respect the institutions that already exist and the choices --and traditions-- which those institutions have made.

If a woman wants to get ordained, it's silly and a waste of time to join some fringe group and pretend to be Catholic. Instead, she should just join a denomination that already allows female ordination, and then serve.

In closing, I think this is a lot more about the egos of the people involved than about people (women and men) serving God and neighbor.

-- John


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Amen.

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I suspect it would be possible to ordain a dog, if one so desired. It would still be a dog, not a priest. It would be somewhat the same as consecrating Pepsi instead of wine. It would still be Pepsi. I don't know why these people bother.

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Oh, that's low! I cannot look but a second at that icon of the broken Christ. Even though I lack the experience at reading most icons to all their theological meanings, that icon clearly depicts their views. What I find odd is that they wish to cling to a tradition they hate.

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Originally Posted by Terry Bohannon
Oh, that's low! I cannot look but a second at that icon of the broken Christ. Even though I lack the experience at reading most icons to all their theological meanings, that icon clearly depicts their views. What I find odd is that they wish to cling to a tradition they hate.

Terry

That's the point! The early Protestants could not agree with the Catholic Church. Being honorable folks, they had the integrity to leave. Today, however, the dissidents are so full of presumption and pride, they expect to wag the dog. Naturally they are "hurt" at the "insensitivity" of the dog for not wanting to be wagged. Go figure!

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Originally Posted by harmon3110
Personally anymore, I do not have a problem with female ordination per se. In my opinion, if a woman was good enough for the Incarnation of the Eternal Word, a woman can also be good enough to be clergy.

There's no reason women shouldn't be priests.

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There cannot be one reason when there are many.

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There are many indeed, and none of them good in my opinion. That is why I say, there is no good reason.

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There are many indeed, and none of them good in my opinion. That is why I say, there is no good reason.

This is something I am struggling with as well. It does seem that the given reasons against women's ordination are rather weak. On the other hand, it has been the universal tradition not to ordain women. So I agree with Bishop Kallistos Ware that while it is not a priori impossible for women to become priests, a change in practice would require a convincing theological argument that shows how the change would be in accordance with the spirit of the tradition. This is a very difficult task I think.

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More bad reporting. Both the mainstream media and these little churches (a kind of vagante that exists to spite Rome) want to play on the name recognition and prestige of the RCC. 'Woman ordained a minister in small denomination', which is what really happened, just isn't an attention-grabbing headline.

To give the Revd Rowley credit she isn't playing - she got the same training as a United Church of Christ minister and has a real congregation. That gets my respect even though of course I'm not in communion with it and wouldn't join!

There are two authentic Catholic opinions on women's ordination: impossibilist (like John Paul II and Benedict XVI) and improbabilist (the larger church has never done it and still doesn't but that might change). I rather like the Pepsi analogy for the impossibilist position - it doesn't demean like the canine one. What strikes me is in church history and in most of the Catholic world today including of course the Eastern churches the issue just doesn't come up. (Next to nobody asks for it. For example there is no Women's Ordination Conference in the Russian Orthodox Church like there is among ageing American RCs.) It does in the upper middle class in the West - where most mainline Protestants are.

I tend to agree that if one feels called that way, join a Protestant church and don't pretend you're still Catholic, but I also think I understand the social and emotional reasons people like the Revd Rowley do what they do. Her words about pregnant priests - 'in the Episcopal but never the Catholic Church before' - show what she really thinks and feels. She'll never see Episcopalians as Catholic even if intellectually she could talk herself into it (seeing as she's so open-minded). Born RCs like her see becoming a mainline Protestant as a betrayal of family, ethnicity and yes, class. Becoming a vagante - 'we're still Catholic, see?' - doesn't have that emotional and social baggage even though it's as much leaving the RCs as becoming a United Church of Christ minister.

That image belongs in an art collection such as a private one or a museum not in church. It's not an icon.

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In my opinion, if a woman was good enough for the Incarnation of the Eternal Word, a woman can also be good enough to be clergy.

Likewise then, if a man was good enough for the Eternal Word to become Incarnate as, a man can also be good enough to become pregnant and be a mother.


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