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We've had a little confusion on this thread over the last few hours and some of it has been deleted at the request of the posters.
I'm asking all here to be more careful in posting, in posting quotes from others, and in practicing charity toward all. Each one here is a one-of-a-kind original loved with an infinite love by Christ. Let us not forget that in posting or praying or in anything else. If Christ could show the deference of accepting the Cross for us, we can minimally be charitable in writing to our brethren.
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Actually if I believe correctly the Canon was only re itterated at Trent. The original Canon of the West stems from the Council of Hippo in North Africa 8 Oct.in the year 393 AD and its brevoarium of its canons was read at the Council of Carthage 397 AD.
Perhaps someone could enlighten us on further information.
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A good source book is "The Canon of Scripture by F.F. Bruce, (a protestant scholar).
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From the early councils:
- Council of Laodicea (c. 363) lists 26 New Testament books (excludes Revelations), but misses some OT books.
- Council of Carthage (397) defined the canon for the Western Church, both OT and NT. (Third Council of Carthage, canon 24.)
- Ecumenical Council of Nicaea (787) adopted the canons of earlier councils (and thus might be said to have adopted those of Carthage).
- Canon confirmed by Council of Trent (1546).
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From the early councils:
- Council of Laodicea (c. 363) lists 26 New Testament books (excludes Revelations), but misses some OT books.
- Council of Carthage (397) defined the canon for the Western Church, both OT and NT. (Third Council of Carthage, canon 24.)
- Ecumenical Council of Nicaea (787) adopted the canons of earlier councils (and thus might be said to have adopted those of Carthage).
- Canon confirmed by Council of Trent (1546). I believe the canon of the bible was not set in any way at Nicea. The Council of Nicaea and the Bible. http://www.tertullian.org/rpearse/nicaea.html This article deals with the legend that the canon of the bible was discussed at the council.
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A canon distinguishes what is revealed and divine from what is not revealed and human. It would be nice if that were true.
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A canon distinguishes what is revealed and divine from what is not revealed and human. It would be nice if that were true. What else would a canon be? MM, I recall reading that the canon was defined at Ephesus... Gordo
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Something that actually distinguishes the divine and human.
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From fisheaters.com---Bottom line: the Septuagint was the version of the Old Testament accepted by the very earliest Christians (and, yes, those 7 "extra" books were found among the Dead Sea Scrolls which date between 168 B.C. and A.D. 68
After all the debate between the Septuagint and the Massoretic Text, the Dead Sea Scrolls have shown a much older version that BOTH share in common - to some degree. As for the 7 "extra" books, the earliest editions of the King James Bible included them. More Bible editions are including the 7 "extra" books. Both the Septuagint-Massoretic Text and the 7 "extra" book debates are becoming obsolete polemics between Christian denominations.
Eddie These are not merely extra books, the orthodox churches which have preserved the Greek LXX, in comparison with the middle-age Masoretic against the DSS are more closely aligned by 70%. Eastern churches had it correct all along. While your dating is limited to actual codex, the script used clearly reflects a far early time of this copy. The Hebrew Canon is a later post temple period development to the exclusion of the Nazareans (MINIM), and the preisthood by the Pharisees at Jamnia. Eastern and for that matter the oriental Orthodox churches have preserved the earlier scripture used during and before the days of Jesus.
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It's actually extremely difficult to point to any one point at which the universal church agreed on the canon. It more or less drifted into accord on the last few books, without anyone being concerned about this. The local councils that issued lists of books are not binding on the universal church, of course.
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Can't speak for how anyone else got the Bible - but I've been given the Revised Standard Version-Catholic edition and the Orthodox Study Bible (the latter just last week).
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Can't speak for how anyone else got the Bible - but I've been given the Revised Standard Version-Catholic edition and the Orthodox Study Bible (the latter just last week).
Fr. Serge HEHEHEHE 
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Thank you - it's nice to know I've not yet lost my touch!
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