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http://www.dailymail.co.uk/pages/li...in_article_id=450991&in_page_id=1770

BBC to broadcast gay mass from San Francisco
by SIMON CALDWELL27th April 2007


The BBC is to relay a 'gay Mass' from San Francisco this Sunday, the first time such a service has been broadcast.

The 50-minute Mass at the Most Holy Redeemer Catholic Church in the predominantly gay Castro district of the city will feature prayers and readings tailored for the gay community.

The church has been described as an "inspiration" to gay and lesbian Christians around the world because of its ministry to homosexuals.


Members of the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence

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The BBC is to relay a 'gay Mass' from San Francisco the first time such a service has been broadcast.


* Gay debate is distracting us, warns Archbishop

Its parish priest, Father Stephen Meriweather, blesses participants in the San Francisco's annual gay pride march.

But it has also infuriated many Catholics in the U.S. who have complained about such activities as transvestite bingo nights during which sex toys and pornographic DVDs were handed out as prizes.

Last night a media watchdog said Sunday's radio broadcast was "bound to cause offence" to mainstream Christians.

John Beyer of Mediawatch UK, an organisation which campaigns for standards in the media, said he thought it was a mistake to broadcast the service.

"Religious broadcasting, apart from Songs of Praise, tends to focus on the out-of-the-ordinary and having this particular service I think will cause offence to people who feel that such practices are wrong and are taught as such in holy scripture," Mr Beyer said "The BBC really ought to be focusing on mainstream services which are more in keeping with the public service requirement that it has."

However, Father Donal Godfrey, the U.S. Jesuit priest celebrating the Mass, said he was delighted the BBC was "exploring how gay people fit into the perspective of the Christian narrative".

"Being gay is not special," he said. "It's simply another gift from God who created us as rainbow people."

The recording will go out at 8.10am to two million listeners on the BBC Radio 4 Sunday Worship programme.

The preacher will be James Alison - a homosexual British Catholic theologian and author of 'Is it ethical to be Catholic? - Queer perspectives'.

Weeks after the BBC finished recording the service last October, it emerged that a transvestite group calling themselves the Sisters of Perpetual Indulgence regularly staged lewd and irreverent bingo nights on the church premises.

The San Francisco archdiocese-stopped the events when it was discovered that prizes of a sexual nature were being handed out by the group, who dress as nuns.

In the past members of the group have paraded naked through the city advertising a 'hunky Jesus' contest. Their motto is: 'Go and sin some more.'

A spokesman for BBC Radio 4 said: "The strength of Sunday Worship is its diversity. It aims to reflect a variety of Christian spiritualities, and for that reason, when editorially appropriate - on average about once a quarter - comes from outside the UK.

"Taking the theme "Finding a place in the Christian narrative" this programme comes from the largest and oldest predominantly gay area in the world, from a Catholic community which has an experienced and developed understanding of the issues of being gay and Christian.

"As far as we know this is the first time the subject of being gay and Christian has been explored by the programme."

The Roman Catholic Church holds that sex belongs in the context of heterosexual marriage and that gay sex is "objectively disordered".

However, it also teaches that homosexual orientation is not in itself sinful and that gays and lesbians must be treated with respect and be free from unjust discrimination.


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Why aren't all these people, especially the clergy excommunicated?

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Is Rome aware of this? Where is the standing Council of Bishops? Why is no hierarch demanding that this travesty cease and desist? Is it that they are afraid to stand up and fight this blasphemy? Or is it that they just don't care. I am not afraid to publicly state that until the Catholic Church disciplines these "rogue" priests and bishops, and sets an example by acting like a Church authority,and defrocking these "people" I have zero, zip, nada interest in seeking to restore canonical communion with the Catholic Church.

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Originally Posted by JSMelkiteOrthodoxy
Why aren't all these people, especially the clergy excommunicated?

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No priest will be present and there will be no mass. This happened last year in San Fransisco, a bunch of gays had a "liturgy" that is they sung some sungs and did the readings for the day and that's it. The BBC put it on the air and called it "mass".

As for the people and the clergy supporting them, I don't know why they have not been excommunicated. The Greek Orthodox had no problem excommunicating their gay priests and bishop a couple of years ago.

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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Is Rome aware of this? Where is the standing Council of Bishops? Why is no hierarch demanding that this travesty cease and desist? Is it that they are afraid to stand up and fight this blasphemy? Or is it that they just don't care. I am not afraid to publicly state that until the Catholic Church disciplines these "rogue" priests and bishops, and sets an example by acting like a Church authority,and defrocking these "people" I have zero, zip, nada interest in seeking to restore canonical communion with the Catholic Church.

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There is no standing council of bishops.... each bishop in the Catholic communion has direct and complete control over his diocese, the only one he answers to is the pope of Rome. The Catholic Church is a lot less centralized then what most people think.

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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Is Rome aware of this? Where is the standing Council of Bishops? Why is no hierarch demanding that this travesty cease and desist? Is it that they are afraid to stand up and fight this blasphemy? Or is it that they just don't care. I am not afraid to publicly state that until the Catholic Church disciplines these "rogue" priests and bishops, and sets an example by acting like a Church authority,and defrocking these "people" I have zero, zip, nada interest in seeking to restore canonical communion with the Catholic Church.

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Well, here is the problem. There is every reason to think that a significant number of the Catholic Bishops of the United States are morally and legally compromised. And I think that this means that they are reluctant to call out one of their brother bishops if that involves the possibility of getting more media and watchdog scrutiny. Practically speaking, and I say this with sadness, the Catholic Bishops in the U.S. (on the whole) have no moral authority.

As far as Rome goes, I don't know exactly what they know but the current head of the CDF, appointed by Pope Benedict XVI, is Cardinal Levada who is the former archbishop of San Francisco and was not considered a particularly good bishop by most people. The current archbishop of San Francisco was appointed by Pope Benedict at the recommendation of Cardinal Levada. It was well known prior to his appointment that Bishop Neideneur (sp?) was rather weak in upholding Church teaching. So this should come as no surprise to anyone. The whole situation is sad and Alexandr, I do agree that these things impede reunion between Orthodoxy and Rome.

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I really hate this, because I know it appears that I am "Catholic bashing" for posting this BBC article. I really am not. I know the overwhelming majority of Catholics are just as appalled as I am over this. It is just the level of the atrocity being discussed here has reached such a height, that there is no way that the "stink" does not reach even unto Rome. If this was the 18th Century, I could believe it would take time for word to reach the authorities, and for them to respond. But not in this day of "instant access". Could it be that no one in Rome monitors the BBC? I think not. It is my belief that nothing will change until the Catholic laity overwhelmingly tell their episcopacy that "enough is enough".
I am sorry. I am really at a loss for words, something that rarely is a problem for me, as those who know me can readily attest to.

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I could have posted it with equal disdain. There is a diversity in the Catholic church over many things, over religious orders and private opinion...but this seems to be getting into the archdiocese and their mishandling of their charge.

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You are not Catholic bashing. You are not saying anything that faithful Catholics aren't saying. They are outraged and I am outraged with them and I feel sadness for them. And yes this corruption goes all the way up into the Vatican. It is no secret. Pope Paul VI once said that the "smoke of Satan" had entered the Church and Pope Benedict XVI just before becoming Pope preached about the filth plaguing the Church at all levels. But things may be better over the long run. I think that had it been the case that Popes John Paul II and Benedict XVI had not been elected, things would be much worse.

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On certain matters corruption in the Vatican does not go all the way up to Christ. This was the case during the Arian controversy. By the Vatican, I take it you mean certain corrupted people who may be in the establishment.

It would be a folly to imply that Pope Benedict XVI would knowingly support such corruption.

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Originally Posted by Terry Bohannon
On certain matters corruption in the Vatican does not go all the way up to Christ. This was the case during the Arian controversy. By the Vatican, I take it you mean certain corrupted people who may be in the establishment.

It would be a folly to imply that Pope Benedict XVI would knowingly support such corruption.

I hardly think that Pope Benedict XVI is supporting such corruption when he calls it filth. And yes, I'm talking about human beings, after all it is human beings who are corrupt and I'm not saying that the majority are corrupt. I refuse to speculate about that. I think that saying that a significant number are corrupt is sufficient.

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With priests being kidnapped and murdered, Seminarians and priests acting sinfully, European secularism closing in, perhaps His Holiness has bigger fish to fry than worrying about something that should be taken care of locally.

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Originally Posted by Dr. Eric
With priests being kidnapped and murdered, Seminarians and priests acting sinfully, European secularism closing in, perhaps His Holiness has bigger fish to fry than worrying about something that should be taken care of locally.

An excellent point Dr. Eric. Pope Benedict may be the Pope but he's still only a human being with normal human limitations. He cannot possibly answer every call to set every wrong right. And the Lord knows there are far more many wrongs today than we can keep track of.

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Exactly!

Let's get off this tangent, it raises blood pressure.

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