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#25795 09/08/02 06:35 PM
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For several months I've been preparing for a ministry crusade that will eventually help countless numbers of families as it has helped ours. My wife and I are starting a business/ministry whose mission is to help middle class American families become completely debt free (including) mortgages and financially independent. We have found a way to do it ourselves and we will be delighted to show you how.

Because of our crusade I will not be posting much anymore. I simply don't have time. You all have brought much blessing to me. I have learn a great deal about the Eastern Christianity since being on this board. I especially thank John Vernoski for hosting it.

If anyone is trapped in a "cash value" Life insurance policy, also known as "Whole Life", "Universal Life" or "Variable Life"; or if you are caught in a thirty year mortgage in which interest is many times the principle; or if you are stuck in savings or investment plans that are barely keep up with inflation (like "CD's", "Money Market Accounts", or even some "Mutual Funds") and want to be free of them so you can begin to pay off your debts then let me know. If you wish to know how our crusade is going, or wish information on how you can be free of debt and financially independent, or how you can help us in our crusade please contact me by email.

: Laufferc266@cs.com

: Dan Lauffer

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Does this have something to do with Byzantine Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy?

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Thanks for your announcement on your new plans.

Let me know if you have a website up and running that have the information you'll be offering to others.

May God bless you and your ministry. It will give hope to people who are struggling with hard times and who is losing trust in the 401 K, pensions and retirement plans in the wake of the corporate scandals.

How can these theives take away retirement that ordinary people have worked so hard for??? Gee!

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SPDundas,

401k's are only the small part of the problem. When one does not have an agent watching out for the best interests of the client instead of the agent one finds oneself losing great chunks of money. Corporate crooks come and go but you must have a company whose mission statement is to get you out of debt and help you become financially independent. I work with the only company interested in helping people and not just making the agents rich.

"Cash Value" insurance policies (Whole Life, Universal Life, Variable Life) are rip offs. They cost four times what Term Insurance costs. Then you can invest the difference. Credit card debt keeps going higher and higher. People are trapped in debt so badly that they cannot afford to give very much to their Churches.

IMAGINE BRIAN, IF A CHURCH HELPED THEIR MEMBERS ELIMINATE DEBTS, INCLUDING MORTGAGES AND CREDIT CARDS, HOW GRATEFUL THEY WOULD BE AND HOW MUCH MORE GENEROUS THEY COULD BE TOWARD THEIR CHURCH.

It must be obvious to all that Whole Life policies are designed to make agents rich and, if need be, bankrupt some people. It must also be obvious that 30 year mortgages in which people pay 3 to 4 times in interest what is paid on principle is a clear breaking of biblical injunctions against usary.

Dan Lauffer

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Dan, I have to agree with Brian. This isn't the place to put in a plug for your new business. Put it on your profile if you must, but not on a post. Don

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Don,

Don't you have some dog to kick? Can't you find some baby to steal from? Why bother me?

Dan Lauffer

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eek Convert fight!!!!!! eek

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Friends,

If you are married and have children this apostolate can be a Godsend to you. If you plan to live your life debt free and financially independent this apostolate can be a Godsend. If you plan on being able to give sizable gifts to charities of your choice this apostolate can be a Godsend to you.

If you don't fit any of these categories then pray for the rest of us.

Administrator,

I know that you have not taken any action on this thread. However, I suggest that you close it. My only interested was to help people. Some think that my post was inappropriate. Ok. I don't wish to fight over it. Please, lock it down.

Dan Lauffer

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Joe,

Thank you.

The GCU is a great organization for many things. When I checked on their Life Insurance offerings I was surprised that they emphasised "Cash Value" insurance. Then I realized that the selling of these policies was a means of raising funds for them. The agents make 4 times what Term Insurance agents make. The people get very little insurance for the money and almost no investment. It's good for GCU but very bad for the individual.

Please, don't misunderstand. I don't know if GCU even understands what a bad policy they sell people. After all a vast majority of people have been fooled by these policies. However, wouldn't it be better to fund GCU in other ways than this? Imagine when a spouse dies with this kind of policy. The survivors may be looking forward to income protection. They have very little. What they could have had through investments they will not have, even with a Variable Life Policy. Why not get an inexpensive Term Policy costing 1/4 to 1/3 of a "Cash Value" policy and invest the difference? Then you would have enough protection should someone die and some investments to carry you through retirement.

Dan Lauffer

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Does this have something to do with Byzantine Catholicism or Eastern Orthodoxy?

No. Helping less fortunate people has nothing to do with Eastern Christianity.

:rolleyes:

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"No. Helping less fortunate people has nothing to do with Eastern Christianity."

eek biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin biggrin

(sorry)
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Dear Columcille,

I thought we considered all those outside of Eastern Christianity as "less fortunate." wink

Good point, in any event. You go, Dan!

Alex

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Originally posted by Dan Lauffer:
I know that you have not taken any action on this thread. However, I suggest that you close it. My only interested was to help people. Some think that my post was inappropriate. Ok. I don't wish to fight over it. Please, lock it down.

Dan,

As you wish.

Good luck in the new endeavor. I hope that you still drop by from time to time.

Anthony


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