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Our family has left the Ruthenians and now go to the Russian Catholic Church on Sundays and the Melkite during the week. We would never leave the Chair of Peter.

The clergy and bishops who have pushed this on the church are tyrants if you dare to question it. Our now former priest said to my complaints that I wasn't a theologian.When I brought up the inclusive language he said "well didn't Christ die for everyone" I had to challege him on such a absurd comment.

Lots of people I know are really upset about it and have left or waiting to see if Rome will revoke it.It is so painful to see this happen. Now I know how those Latins felt in the late sixties!

When my father had conservation with our parish priest about leaving, he stated, "don't let the door hit you on the way out"!

Then again, my dad and the parish priest frequently had run-ins with each other...

Are there any other Eastern Catholics in his area? I am getting to really like the Melkite chants. I told our former priest that the only women I knew who wanted the new language also wanted to be priests and wanted to use birth control. Later on in another conversation I told him that everyone knows a man eating shark also eats women! Needless to say my latest baby was baptized by a priest of another rite. It was beautiful!

I am sorry. I am new to all of this and am a little confused. Is this new RDL going to be imposed on all the Eastern churches in union with Rome -- or is it just for the Byzntine Catholics - and does that include the Holy Resurrection Monastery in Newberry Springs, CA? All this talk of inclusive language is really horrifying to me, and I just can't realize it is true!

I have long loved the East, but now, I worry...

Thank you for reading my question.

Just what was fomerly the Ruthenian Byzantine Catholic Church,which now calls itself the Sui Juris Metropolitan Byzantine Catholic Church of America.

Ungcsertezs

Go Melkite, Ukrainian, Romanian... blah, whatever makes you happy.

What baffles me is the unfriendly attitude of the Ruthenian bishops in handling the faithful's response to the RDL. Its pretty unfortunate that it will take some time for the bishops to realise on their own that liturgy is NOT a fashionable thing.

Amen brother! We did not leave the faith... The bishops and clergy responsible made their choice by promulgating the RDL, and some have chosen to vote with their feet and have walked into the Orthodox sunset. (As Stephanie Kotyuh stated further up).

As one who knows and loves the monastery in Newberry Springs I can tell you under no circumstances would the monks take on the new liturgy. The monks there are wonderful! None of the other Eastern Catholic churches are either.

You are very fortunate to have Fr. Alexei and his community as well as the Melkite parish. The monks of Holy Resurrection Monastery transferred under the omophorion of the Romanian Greek Catholic Eparchy of Canton a couple of years ago.

Sometimes bearing the cross of our Catholicity means leaving for another Eastern Catholic jurisdiction. The behavior of a few have unfortunately opened wide a wound within the Metropolia - or at least exposed it. I pray that it is healed at some point, but such a prayer will only be answered when they restore that which was taken unjustly through force of law (canonical and otherwise).

Services? (plural)

Are Matins and Vespers served there?

I've heard that in the past they were celebrated, is that still the case? What time are they at if they are served?

Monomakh

Thank you very much for your help and answer to my question...I feel much better now...

Collin,

I may have missed it, but I haven't seen the posting of an Archbishop's or Bishop's response on the forum. If this is correct, how can you make this claim? Have you personally written and received an unfriendly response? I'm interested in knowing the answer.

The only reason I bring this up is because of all the hoopla on the forum about how the Slavonic Hymns would be banned. And yet I have been to several Divine Liturgies with some Slavonic hymns, liturgical and non-liturgical, and not once did the Archbishop seem offended.

With all the people who were shaken by this unfounded rumor, I really have to question the credibility and intentions of much of the criticism that is spread here.

For those readers who are attracted to the Byzantine and other Eastern Catholic Churches, I recommend that you don't believe everything that you read here and come to Divine Liturgy and see for yourself.

Fr. Deacon Paul

"None of the other Eastern Catholic churches are either."

I'm puzzled by this sentence as it seems unclear to what the other Eastern Catholic churches are either...what? Are the other Eastern Catholic churches not wonderful? Or was something else implied? as in None of the other Eastern Catholic churches are taking on the RDL? (the RDL which has only been promulgated for the Pittsburgh Metropolia).

While the Archbishop and the other three Bishops have not posted on this forum and not at all likely to, at least one has been rather direct regarding the use of Slavonic in the Divine Liturgy when asked personally by cantors.

Steve