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Oh yes, welcome back to the forum.
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Tell you what - I'll post a link to a short clip from our wedding on YouTube, and you can see for yourself: Okay, I've watched the clip -- but I still don't know who the groom is. Please tell! And may God grant you both many years!
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Sheesh, everybody's a critic!
Will those posters who have personally witnessed a purely authentic Byzantine (Ruthenian) wedding please show their hands?
If you follow the red order of marriage books, the common cup ceremony isn't done, so is that 'un'-Byzantine too?
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Sheesh, everybody's a critic!
Will those posters who have personally witnessed a purely authentic Byzantine (Ruthenian) wedding please show their hands?
If you follow the red order of marriage books, the common cup ceremony isn't done, so is that 'un'-Byzantine too? I don't know what you mean about the "red order of marriage books", but the Byzantine rite (OCA) wedding I witnessed used the common cup. It was always used at the handful of Orthodox and Greek Catholic weddings I have seen. 
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Ok, to make this simpler: I am the groom in the video.
We did use the vows because they are in the book, however there were some changes we asked for(I won't go into that because it only opens a more laborious discussion). Perhaps vows aren't standard for a Byzantine Ruthenian wedding, but who has actually witnessed one done as "it's supposed to be". I know I have yet to personally attend a perfectly Ruthenian wedding. Yes we did include the common cup ceremony, and several quite Orthodox touches.
One short youtube video clip is not much to base an opinion on how "orthodox" a wedding was, but it seems that what I read here is like the three blind men describing an elephant purely by what they feel, everyone has a different idea of what they believe happened.
The books we used for reference to the basic structure of the wedding ceremony are red, hence the terminology "red Order of Marriage" book. Yes we realise that the books our church uses currently does contain a number of "Westernisms" (I hesitate to use 'Latinism' since some of the variations of the wedding ceremony are protestant or otherwise non Latin in origin).
At times it seems some posters here are searching desperatly for ANY fault with the Byzantine Catholic Church (Pittsburgh Metropolia, Sui Juris, etc).
While things may be far from perfect and reports of people running away from their parishes appear daily on this board, there are some of us who do take things one day at a time and hope and pray and quietly work on things getting better for our church however confused it may seem at times.
Wow, I guess I had a few things to get off my chest!
Steve
I need to get some sleep so I can help at our parish luncheon tomorrow, G'nite.
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Ok, to make this simpler: I am the groom in the video. Steve, Congratulations to you and your bride! I agree that it was a little insensitive to bring up one of the finer points of someone's wedding day as a matter for debate, although I am interested in the topic of the use of vows personally and theologically. No doubt the day of the parousia will have its critics as well!  (But Lord! Weren't You supposed to wear red and blue vestments?!?) The bottom line is that it was a joyful day for you and yours and that you were crowned together as husband and wife to build a wonderful family. God grant you both many years in health and happiness together! God bless, Gordo
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Congratulations to the newlyweds!
Welcome back as well!
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To Steve and Christine: At times it seems some posters here are searching desperatly for ANY fault with the Byzantine Catholic Church (Pittsburgh Metropolia, Sui Juris, etc).
While things may be far from perfect and reports of people running away from their parishes appear daily on this board, there are some of us who do take things one day at a time and hope and pray and quietly work on things getting better for our church however confused it may seem at times.
Wow, I guess I had a few things to get off my chest! I ask forgiveness for my curiousity. It was nothing more than that! Congratulations again on your happiness and thank you for sharing a bit of your big day with us! It seems to me lately that women are generally misunderstood here. Just to clarify, I don't like debates, I am not looking for things which are 'wrong' with the Byzantine church, I am not a 'purer rubrics than thou' Orthodox, etc. So, with this, I will be taking a break for a few days to cool off, because no matter what I say or do lately, it seems to be misconstrued and condemned.  Sincerely, Alice
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Steve and Christine,
God grant you many years of peace, health, and happiness. May your love grow stronger each day as the radience of God's love makes it bloom in your lives that the whole world will see Jesus more clearly through you. God bless you!
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So, with this, I will be taking a break for a few days to cool off, because no matter what I say or do lately, it seems to be misconstrued and condemned. Yes, Alice. Please do go away for a few days and ponder the gravity of your shortcomings: '70s disco? Is outrage! Oh, yeah... "ALICE, WE LOVE YOU!" Amen!
Last edited by Penthaetria; 11/03/07 11:54 AM. Reason: to add my amen!
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Do any Byzantine Catholic ceremonies also have the betrothal service and blessing of the rings before the crowning?
Alice Alice, Yes. We did both the betrothal and blessing of the rings. Also if you look closely in the video, those are Greek style crowns which are ours.  Steve P.S. I wasn't bothered by any particular post, just the tone of some posters. My longwinded response was more toward Etnick, who projected, or at least I perceived, a subtle "one upmanship" as to how "orthodox" our wedding was. I will say that it was more orthodox than many of our own parishioners expected!
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So, with this, I will be taking a break for a few days to cool off, because no matter what I say or do lately, it seems to be misconstrued and condemned. Yes, Alice. Please do go away for a few days and ponder the gravity of your shortcomings: '70s disco? Is outrage! Oh, yeah... "ALICE, WE LOVE YOU!" Amen!-- John
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Do any Byzantine Catholic ceremonies also have the betrothal service and blessing of the rings before the crowning?
Alice Alice, Yes. We did both the betrothal and blessing of the rings. Also if you look closely in the video, those are Greek style crowns which are ours. Steve P.S. I wasn't bothered by any particular post, just the tone of some posters. My longwinded response was more toward Etnick, who projected, or at least I perceived, a subtle "one upmanship" as to how "orthodox" our wedding was. I will say that it was more orthodox than many of our own parishioners expected! I guess the sight of my screen name makes some peoples blood boil! I was just curious as to why vows were said. I didn't ask to anger anyone, I just thought it wasn't done at ANY Byzantine wedding, Catholic or Orthodox. Alice gave an explanation, and that's that. 
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