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http://www.newsmax.com/headlines/democrats_tax_increase/2007/11/11/48607.html Democratic Promises Carry High Price Tag
Sunday, November 11, 2007 8:39 PM
By: Rod Proctor Talk may be cheap, but the cost to keep promises made by Democratic candidates could top $700 billion and push individual tax rates above 50 percent for the first time since the 1986 Reagan tax reform, fiscal experts warn.
In fact, a Democratic sweep in 2008 could push America�s tax burden up to 7th highest in the developed world, up from 21st place, according to researchers at the nonpartisan Tax Foundation.
�If Democrats control everything after 2008, there will be a substantial tax increase,� Larry Sabato, director of the Center for Politics at the University of Virginia tells Newsmax. �Most or all of the Bush tax cuts will be allowed to expire and tax rates may be increased besides.�
The largest hike in federal spending would come from Democrats� plans to extend health coverage to 47 million uninsured U.S. residents.
Hillary Clinton�s plan, according to her campaign, would add about $110 billion a year to the federal budget.
Barak Obama�s plan, say Harvard University experts, would cost between $50 billion and $65 billion a year. John Edwards�s health care plan, according to an Emory University study, could run up to $145 billion a year.
Democrats across the board are also pitching college tuition subsidies with an annual price tag of up to $30 billion. And their promises don�t stop there. Most candidates have pledged new programs in federally funded areas such as primary education, roads and bridges, and energy.
All told, the Democratic platform could cost more than $700 billion over four years.
�I have a million ideas,� Clinton tells the Boston Globe, �and the country can�t afford them all.�
On that point, even Clinton�s critics agree with her.
�It is pretty clear that more spending programs have been promised out of repealing the top Bush tax cuts than [the] repeal would be able to fund,� Nate Bailey of the Tax Foundation tells Newsmax. �It�s almost certain that funding all of these proposed programs would require massive tax hikes, the scale of which the U.S. has never seen.
President Bush�s tax cuts of 2001 and 2003, which amount to some $188 billion in tax relief per year, are set to expire beginning in 2010. A Democratically-controlled Congress appears intent on allowing that to happen once the Bush veto threat vanishes, experts note.
Last month, Rep. Charles Rangel, D-N.Y., chairman of the House Ways and Means Committee, offered a taste of what�s to come. Rangel set out a series of tax goals � something he termed �the mother of all tax reforms� � hinged on the expiration of the Bush cuts.
Acknowledging that his plan has no chance as long as Bush is in the White House, Rangel said he�s first going after the unpopular Alternative Minimum Tax � a measure passed in 1969 to ensure the most wealthy would not be entirely insulated from paying taxes.
The AMT has never been tied to inflation. As a result, it now threatens to ensnare some 20 million middle-class taxpayers. In recent years, Congress has enacted annual �patches� to exclude middle-class families.
Rangel backed the patches again this year � offset by higher taxes on hedge-fund and private-equity managers � but said in 2009 he wanted to scrap the AMT entirely in favor of new taxes aimed squarely at the wealthiest Americans
�We should try to look at the disparity that exists between middle income and those that are more fortunate in income and try to spread the tax relief,� Rangel said in a press conference.
Rangel would also like to tack a 4-percent surtax on families making more than $200,000 per year and scale back cuts on capital gains taxes enacted under Bush.
The top Republican on the Ways and Means Committee, Rep. Jim McCrery of Louisiana, recently told Bloomberg News that the combined effect ending the Bush cuts and adding the surtax would result in a $3.5 trillion tax hike over 10 years.
Political commentator and Newsmax columnist Dick Morris, writes that a Democratic sweep would bring �mammoth tax increases� that would �be horrific and probably trigger a recession.�
What some call �horrific,� however, others, like Hillary Clinton, term merely �sacrifice.�
Pushed by Tim Russert at the recent Democratic debate to explain her position on the Rangel tax proposals, Clinton responded that, �we�ve not been asked to sacrifice anything. You know, young men and women wearing the uniform of our country are dying and being maimed. We have the average American family losing a thousand dollars in income, and George Bush and his cronies can�t figure out how they can give even more tax cuts to the wealthiest of Americans.�
When Russert pressed further, implying she had expressed support for Rangel�s 4-percent tax surcharge and his plans for the AMT, she demurred.
�No, I didn�t say that. I said that I�m in favor of doing something about the AMT. How we do it and how we put the package together everybody knows is extremely complicated.
�There are a lot of moving pieces here,� Clinton said. �I�m not going to get committed to a specific approach, but I applaud Chairman Rangel for beginning the conversation.�
Obama, asked a similar question by Russert, spoke of a �10,000-page tax code that is rife with corporate loopholes.�
�There�s a building in the Cayman Islands that supposedly houses 12,000 U.S. corporations, which means it is either the largest building in the world or the biggest tax ripoff in the world, and I think we know which one it is.�
Sabato, author of �A More Perfect Constitution: 23 Proposals to Revitalize Our Constitution,� believes taxes will be a cornerstone of the coming Republican campaign.
�The tax issue is one of the best Republicans will have for 2008,� he tells Newsmax. �It unifies the disparate wings of the GOP, and it targets a very real vulnerability among Democrats. This is one of their few bright spots."
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Is universal healthcare coverage not worth a raise in your taxes?
Do you think Christ would complain about having to pay higher taxes so the poor and disenfranchised could afford adequate healthcare?
Sometimes I think some of the people on here (and in the country at large) really think that way?
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An increasing number of people in the US simply can't afford to pay higher taxes in any amount for anything period.
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There is a difference between a change we can affect and a decision by a power figure we have no effect on.
Since we can affect the outcome of elections and influence policy by the way of choosing representatives, it would be foolish to abstain from the political process on the gounds that Christ did not vote for his government and "would not complain" of a tax burden.
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I never said someone shouldn't vote. I was questioning what we should be voting for.
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Is universal healthcare coverage not worth a raise in your taxes?
Do you think Christ would complain about having to pay higher taxes so the poor and disenfranchised could afford adequate healthcare?
Sometimes I think some of the people on here (and in the country at large) really think that way?
Alexis Every Democrat presidential candidate believes that abortion is health care to which every women is entitled to by our Constitution. And you and I should pay for it. I believe Christ would disagree. Fr Deacon Paul
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Eh, still waiting for an American equivalent to the German Christian Democrats. It could happen; we just have to putting all our hopes in presidential candidates. Start at the local and state level, possibly by co-opting some current Republicans and Democrats so we'd have the advantage of incumbency. Even if we never elected a president, we could get enough votes in state legislatures and, possibly, the US Congress, to force the big parties to get serious about OUR agenda if they want to get anything done.
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Is universal healthcare coverage not worth a raise in your taxes?
Do you think Christ would complain about having to pay higher taxes so the poor and disenfranchised could afford adequate healthcare?
Sometimes I think some of the people on here (and in the country at large) really think that way?
Alexis Every Democrat presidential candidate believes that abortion is health care to which every women is entitled to by our Constitution. And you and I should pay for it. I believe Christ would disagree. Fr Deacon Paul Amen! Shall I also mention the oath that every politician swears to uphold and defend the Constitution as well? As far as I know it is still binding. The Federal/Nationalistic/Socialistic takeover of healthcare would be unconstitutional and violates the Catholic principles of subsidiarity. (It will also lead to all sorts of healthcare rationing and "givernment" - a Freudian slip initially, but quite appropo - regulation of costs which intrudes on our right to privacy...what the government funds, it can - and does - control.) That said, if each state chose to develop its own system of state-run health care for the needy (so long as it did not legislate a "take-over") that could be legitimate. It would also respect the freedom of its citizens to leave that system for a state that offered a better system. Such was the beauty of the Constitutional government of the United States before reconstruction and the federalizing of practically everything by all the branches, especially through the radical abuse of the inter-state commerce clause among others. So please spare me the WWJD on higher taxes and the outright theft of what is a private industry by an armed aggressor. The government has no right to mandate charity from its citizens under threat of prison. Gordo
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Gordo:
I've got to say that I'm completely lacking in sympathy for the threat that the universalization of health care poses to the private medial insurance industry. Of all "legitimate" businesses, it is the one for which I have the greatest contempt, and one which I, along with a great number of many others, would love to see obliterated. It profits from the suffering of others and its insatiable greed plays a huge role in the ever-increasing cost of health care. I say this from the perspective of someone who worked in health care for about 11 years.
Your point that national health care would violate the principal of subsidiarity is debatable. On this question, you argue from a position of strength, since I believe the burden is on those who argue for nationalization to demonstrate how nationalization would not violate subsidiarity (although I think a strong case can be made). However, as far as the private medical insurance industry goes, it is a parasite whose death cannot come soon enough, as far as I'm concerned.
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As a welfare caseworker I can tell you government funded health-care is extremely restrictive. The saying you get what you pay for is true. Free stuff is usually not the best stuff. Is it better than nothing, sure? But does everybody asking for nationalized health care want to be put in an HMO and told what doctors they can see? From my experience the answer is no because that is one of the biggest complaints of my clients.
My cromulent posts embiggen this forum.
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Is it contradictory to Christian charity to vote against socialized health care provided to those labeled "poor and disenfranchised"?
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Yes, the Democrats by and large support abortion, which we all know to be a heinous and despicable crime.
But a lot of Republicans, and many of the Republican candidates, are more or less pro-abortion as well.
And eight years under a supposedly pro-life president has done nothing to assuage the abortion rates in this country. I understand a lot of this is due to the Supreme Court, but there is much more that this Administration could do as far as abortion goes.
It's sad all around!
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And yet our healthcare system and its quality of care despite its very REAL flaws is still the envy of the world. And the flaws will not be fixed by having the government effectively takeover the third party payer system.
I think a large part of the issue is the third-party payer system for ordinary care (as opposed to catostrophic) as well as intense government regulation of the industry.
And since when did a federal takeover of something really improve it?
Imagine an IRS agent in scrubs. Not a pretty picture. How will making doctors employees (effectively) of the federal government help? Why do I want a federal employee knowing every bump, bruise and biometric detail of me? Why do people not see in this a true threat to our personal liberties?
Federalizing care will only spread the misery equally among the citizenry, with a few exceptions. The shift will now be one towards the power of the state and the regulatory bodies. The wealthy and influential will still get the care that they need ahead of everyone else, as will those who are connected to powerful members of the State.
Somewhere between the tyranny of the State and the tyranny of the marketplace there is a better solution for the uninsured. For myself, history has taught me to fear an armed federal government long before I fear a capitalist.
God bless,
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"Of all 'legitimate' businesses, it is the one for which I have the greatest contempt, and one which I, along with a great number of many others, would love to see obliterated. It profits from the suffering of others and its insatiable greed plays a huge role in the ever-increasing cost of health care."
It would be the better of the two evils if a state bureaucracy is to replace a competitive market.
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Yes, the Democrats by and large support abortion, which we all know to be a heinous and despicable crime.
But a lot of Republicans, and many of the Republican candidates, are more or less pro-abortion as well.
And eight years under a supposedly pro-life president has done nothing to assuage the abortion rates in this country. I understand a lot of this is due to the Supreme Court, but there is much more that this Administration could do as far as abortion goes.
It's sad all around!
Alexis Alexis, I do not see the equivalency here in the least. A while back I posted a link that a priest had compiled going all the way to 2004 of the myriad of ways President Bush has assisted the pro-life cause, including (among many other things) his control of the purse-strings of some of the most insidious federal programs instituted under the Clintons. Unfortunately I cannot locate that link/list at the moment, but it is quite revealing. To imply that children in the womb - within and outside of our borders - would be just as safe under a Democrat administration is unfortunatey fundamentally absurd and contrary to history. I also recall seeing a story sometime back about the decreasing rates of abortions in the US. (At least the ones that are recorded. The abortafacient pill leaves its own an umarked trail.) So add to the government the control of healthcare, and you have the perfect storm from a pro-life perspective: the government will then directly control a means of regulating population (as we see in the case of China) which not only includes abortion, but also euthanasia...which will then later become a means of controlling costs. This is already discussed in the halls of the private healthcare industry. What happens when you add to it the legislative force of state power and control? Doctors are turned from healers into killers and killing becomes a means of healing (for both the patient and society). Read Robert Jay Lifton's The Nazi Doctors for a chilling account of the collusion of the state (particularly the courts) and the medical establishment - even PRIOR to the rise of National Socialism. The Nazi Doctors [ amazon.com] The whole notion of turning our healthcare civil liberties over to the state does NOT make me feel secure. God bless, Gordo
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