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part of their faith foundation is based on Rome-hatred JOE: I challenged a person of this persuasion once and brought him to utter speechlessness. I asked him what he would believe in positively if the Catholic Church were to suddenly disappear--he'd wake one morning and all the buildings, people, etc. would be gone. Then while he was speechless, I told him he'd have no point of reference since everything he said started with an anti-Catholic polemic. Some of these people have even told me that when the Churches come together they'll know that the anti-Christ is here.  BOB
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I'm not trying to single you out, but why does it have to be about winning and losing? I'm Catholic and I can accept this document if those with more knowledge on this issue agree to it and put it forth (even if we "lose"). If we ever hope for unity, we have to remove the who wins and loses idea. If there is unity (real unity), we will all win and Christ will win.
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I am studying the document and preposing it to my study group for the spring sessions.
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My dear sir, I was attempting to be humorous (tongue in cheek); ANTV seems to have taken the document in the way you seem to infer I took it. Go back and read his original comments.I believe an apology is in order.
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My dear sir, I was attempting to be humorous (tongue in cheek); ANTV seems to have taken the document in the way you seem to infer I took it. I believe an apology is in order. I'm sorry for misreading your post. I'm not the brightest guy in the world so have a little pity on me.
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Apology is accepted.. Have a nice Thanksgiving!
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Dear Podvizhnik,
"Bat'ko"? Good grief; I'm not even married!
Even the Anglicans have been known to complain of the garbled info about them in the secular press - and, oddly enough, on the same issue. Several decades ago ARCIC issued some document on the primacy, and if one read the secular press one got the distinct impression that the entire Anglican hierarchy was queuing up to kiss the Pope's slipper.
Do read those stichera. Meanwhile, if you wrote an icon, do you also write photographs?
But back to the press for a moment. I've never forgotten the day that Pope John Paul II visited Knock Shrine in Ireland. I was serving in Canada, and whilst driving from church A to church B, I had the Canadian Broadcasting Co. on listening to the reporting of the Pope's meanderings around Ireland. I was almost shocked into an accident to hear the announcer state, as proven fact, that the so-called apparitions at Knock in 1879 had been manufactured with a "magic lantern". If you or I said that about some cult in the Third World, we would be hung upside down from the rafters, or sentenced to a thousand years in the electric chair. To make matters worse, the Canadian Broadcasting Co. is tax-funded, meaning Catholic money was paying this clown to attack us.
[The magic lantern fable, incidentally, was thoroughly ruled out in the investigation of the apparitions. Unfortunately, Irish law does not recognize the concept of libelling the dead, and that apparently includes God, the Theotokos, and the Saints.]
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Bless, Father Serge!
FYI, I have a beautiful green rosary with a centre with Our Lady of Knock and Holy Water from there!
Are there Icons of Our Lady of Knock?
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The Ravenna document is easy to read. I was totally confused by the avalanche of comments and theories that spread throughout the people.
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Alex asks: Are there Icons of Our Lady of Knock?
Yes, but I can't honestly recommend them! Fr. Serge
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The source of that article, the Philadelphia Church of God - wasn't that the group that formed to perpetuate Herbert Armstrong's theology (incl. the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon) after the WWCoG repudiated those views?The source of that article, the Philadelphia Church of God - wasn't that the group that formed to perpetuate Herbert Armstrong's theology (incl. the Roman Catholic Church as the Whore of Babylon) after the WWCoG repudiated those views? Driving down the Levittown Parkway in Levittown, Pennsylvania you will pass the Church of God. A few seconds later, on the same side of the road, you will see the Church of Christ. Very shortly after you will then see the Church of God in Christ. Finally, you will pass Mohammed Mosque Number 7. LOL. A truly unique experience. I don't suppose one of these places mentioned above is the WWCoG?
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Bob,
This is a big part of the problem, and one of my reasons for the continued harping on secularism, and the associated hatred of God and The Church. The average Tom, Dick and Oleg don't read the Byz Forum, but get their news spoon fed to them by people with an agenda that is anything but Christian in nature. In this particular instance, I suspect readership analysis would demonstrate Tom, Dick and Oleg are actually members of the sect printing this material... Secular news coverage can be very poor (Ruth Gledhill anyone?) but I don't find it to be commonly this poor... and I don't think this is that secular!
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Well...if it wasn't for the fall of Rome...none of this Papacy issue will happen. Is that correct statement?
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I'm not trying to single you out, but why does it have to be about winning and losing? I'm Catholic and I can accept this document if those with more knowledge on this issue agree to it and put it forth (even if we "lose"). If we ever hope for unity, we have to remove the who wins and loses idea. If there is unity (real unity), we will all win and Christ will win. This is a really great post with a huge amount of truth in it.
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I don't know if it's the media's error or what...there's a phrase that I crinch..."under the Pope's rule."
And another comment I thought wasn't so kind: "Everybody obeys the pope."
I'm not trying to point out the negative...but rather pointing out something that I thought wasn't fair for both sides.
Comments? (If that's media error or what the document say?)
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