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Fie, to the Russians I say!

Yes, grow up and share the sand box with the other kids on the block!

Amado

(Or, better still, why don't you act like the Eldest Rome and aim at controlling this whole wide world? )

Alex, I will be making a full, lifetime confession tomorrow before vespers. We will be received in to the church on September 3rd (the Translation of the relics of St. Nektarios the Wonderworker, Bishop of Pentopolis on the NC).

Please pray for me.

Gaudior, it is indeed shameful that so often these conflicts represent the ugly, human side of the church be it in Ukraine, Macedonia or elsewhere.

What I have come to terms with though is that things that often seem trivial, straightforward, or unimportant to me coming from a Western background; are often replete with history, symbolism, deep emotion and memory of past wrongs to others.

The reason this particular issue is so important is because the move to Kiev is likely a precursor to the UGCC pressing for formal establishment of a Patriarchate. You may say this is a good thing, you may say this is a bad thing, but either way it has the potential to poison relations between the Eastern and Western Churches because it cuts to the core of how the two relate to each other. It is a flashpoint, and what happens in Ukraine could have wide reaching effects. This article [30giorni.it] may help to fill in some of the details of the complexities of the situation.

Andrew

This is a rather ironic statement given the context in which it is made.

Apparently being reasonable and balanced means bowing to the unbalanced and unreasonable attitude of the other party in the question.

Patriarch Husar can set up shop wherever he wants - in Kyiv, Warsaw, Carnegie, PA, Streetsboro, Ohio, or Miami Beach.

Personally, I prefer Miami Beach, but that's just me.

It is a terrible thing that the MP is so concerned about and terrified of the UGCC that it has to make public statements opposing their every move. The ROC has much bigger problems than where Patriarch Husar sets up shop.

Thank you, Andrew, I am FULLY aware of what the facts are, and what the history involved is.

Gaudior, who is also aware that if Moscow grows up, and stops pulling these antics, then there will be a lot LESS passion involved.

I apologize for presuming you were not knowledgable of the situation. I seem to be unable to post on this topic without needlessly causing offense.

Please forgive me. I am a guest here and it's probably best for me to go now.

The MP is only hurting itself. By making a mountain out of this molehill, the MP is showering the UGCC with all kinds of worldwide attention and press coverage. It's flaunting it's unreasonable attitude in front of the entire world, which might make some level-headed Orthodox wonder, "Hey, this UGCC seems pretty good; why am I not a part of it?"

This may seem a little far-fetched to some but this is basically was skyrocketed the conversions to Islam in the United States after 9/11. Good or bad, press coverage is press coverage.

I think this can only help the UGCC, *but*, this is not about helping our own interests. This is about exercising a right to historical patriarchal grounds. This is about showing the MP and others that they cannot steal the rights of the UGCC to set up a major archbishopric/patriarchate in the capital of the cradle of Slavic Christianity.

Logos Teen

Orthodox? Organize? I can believe most things but not this. There must be heresy in there somewhere.

The Russian Orthodox church has been hostile and unfriendly towards the Catholic church for years,It incites the Russian govt. against Catholics.Pope JPII's policy of tolerating this is hopefuly over !
The Catholic church in the Ukraine serves the Ukrainian people, not Russia .Like others do.