The Byzantine Forum
Newest Members
Frank O, BC LV, returningtoaxum, Jennifer B, geodude
6,176 Registered Users
Who's Online Now
0 members (), 323 guests, and 114 robots.
Key: Admin, Global Mod, Mod
Latest Photos
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
St. Sharbel Maronite Mission El Paso
by orthodoxsinner2, September 30
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
Holy Saturday from Kirkland Lake
by Veronica.H, April 24
Byzantine Catholic Outreach of Iowa
Exterior of Holy Angels Byzantine Catholic Parish
Church of St Cyril of Turau & All Patron Saints of Belarus
Forum Statistics
Forums26
Topics35,523
Posts417,632
Members6,176
Most Online4,112
Mar 25th, 2025
Previous Thread
Next Thread
Print Thread
Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 33
E
Member
Member
E Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 33
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Eric:
If we take away how Bl. Pius IX and St. Pius X applied the Papal Primacy and go back to the original applications of the doctrine, I don't see a problem and I think that the Servants of God Popes Paul VI and John Paul II were trying to go back to the middle road on this doctrine that had swung to the right since Bl. Pius IX (or maybe sooner than him.)
I think doing that would solve the problem. However, since the West has solemnly and dogmatically defined its current view of papal jurisdiction and infallibility then how could it do what you're talking about? Believe me, I wish there were a way for Rome to go back to its pre-schism understanding of these 2 things so reunion could happen.

Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,518
Catholic Gyoza
Member
Catholic Gyoza
Member
Joined: Nov 2005
Posts: 4,518
Quote
Originally posted by Eric Myers:
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Eric:
[b] If we take away how Bl. Pius IX and St. Pius X applied the Papal Primacy and go back to the original applications of the doctrine, I don't see a problem and I think that the Servants of God Popes Paul VI and John Paul II were trying to go back to the middle road on this doctrine that had swung to the right since Bl. Pius IX (or maybe sooner than him.)
I think doing that would solve the problem. However, since the West has solemnly and dogmatically defined its current view of papal jurisdiction and infallibility then how could it do what you're talking about? Believe me, I wish there were a way for Rome to go back to its pre-schism understanding of these 2 things so reunion could happen. [/b]
I look at it this way: George W Bush is the President of the United States of America. He could conceivably micromanage every town in the Union. But he doesn't he won't come into St. Louis and tell Mayor Francis Slay how to do his job. He's still the president, but he leaves the local management to the local officials.

Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 33
E
Member
Member
E Offline
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 33
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Eric:
Quote
Originally posted by Eric Myers:
[b]
Quote
Originally posted by Dr. Eric:
[b] If we take away how Bl. Pius IX and St. Pius X applied the Papal Primacy and go back to the original applications of the doctrine, I don't see a problem and I think that the Servants of God Popes Paul VI and John Paul II were trying to go back to the middle road on this doctrine that had swung to the right since Bl. Pius IX (or maybe sooner than him.)
I think doing that would solve the problem. However, since the West has solemnly and dogmatically defined its current view of papal jurisdiction and infallibility then how could it do what you're talking about? Believe me, I wish there were a way for Rome to go back to its pre-schism understanding of these 2 things so reunion could happen. [/b]
I look at it this way: George W Bush is the President of the United States of America. He could conceivably micromanage every town in the Union. But he doesn't he won't come into St. Louis and tell Mayor Francis Slay how to do his job. He's still the president, but he leaves the local management to the local officials. [/b]
The problem, though, is that the Orthodox (to use your example) say it's a heresy for the President to even have the right to do that micromanagement regardless of whether he chooses to do it or not.

Also, the papal infallibility is still an issue. The Pope would somehow have to reverse Vatican I and go back to saying that an ecumenical council was the only way to make infallible doctrinal pronouncements.

I don't see how the RC could reverse itself without contradicting existing doctrinal pronouncements. Which means (I think) the situation is irreconcilable. If you can think of a way for the RC to change back to pre-schism way of doing business w/o contradicting Vatican I then I'd welcome that.

Page 6 of 6 1 2 3 4 5 6

Link Copied to Clipboard
The Byzantine Forum provides message boards for discussions focusing on Eastern Christianity (though discussions of other topics are welcome). The views expressed herein are those of the participants and may or may not reflect the teachings of the Byzantine Catholic or any other Church. The Byzantine Forum and the www.byzcath.org site exist to help build up the Church but are unofficial, have no connection with any Church entity, and should not be looked to as a source for official information for any Church. All posts become property of byzcath.org. Contents copyright - 1996-2024 (Forum 1998-2024). All rights reserved.
Powered by UBB.threads™ PHP Forum Software 8.0.0