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Dear James, Those "womyn!"  Alex
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It's quite funny how they've tried to skirt (no pun intended) the ecclesiatical jurisdiction issue by being ordained at sea or on rivers. Doesn't Sr. Wanda B. Priest realize that one cannot escape God's jurisdiction? I believe He has some say in the matter (metaphysically speaking of course!).
Gordo :p
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hmmmmmmm only men have responded ....
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Originally posted by Brian: hmmmmmmm only men have responded .... Life is terrible when women are unresponsive. 
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Originally posted by Jakub:
Alex,
I'm walking on egg shells saying this, but down here they already have the readers,cantors and eucharistic ministers positions, it only makes sense the next step...
Yes! Why not fight the problem at its root! Stop baptizing women, then they won't be able to do any of those things! Filipe who's mother and many female friends are, among other things, Eucharistic Ministers and yet have no intention of defying church doctrine by seeking the priesthood.
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Filipe,
Rather, just stop baptizing "womyn!"
Although, since they are ordaining on rivers and oceans, it could be a two-for-the-price-of-one kinda deal...
Oh well. I think I'm done commenting on this thread.
For a REALLY interesting thread, go to:
https://www.byzcath.org/cgibin/ultimatebb.cgi?ubb=get_topic;f=2;t=003224;p=0
Gordo :rolleyes:
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Filipe, I have met two groups of women who are eucharistic ministers. One group genuinely wants to be helpful. I know a very good lady who takes communion to the sick. That's a really wonderful thing to do, especially today when priests are in short supply. The other group consists of women who have an agenda. Their desire is to get into ministry as a stepping stone to other things. The theory is that the Church will eventually give in and ordain women deacons. It's pretty obvious that this group is setting its sights on the priesthood. I don't know how things are where you live, but the biggest problem with eucharistic ministers in the U.S. is that they are routinely used when there is no need for them. As I heard one priest say when asked why he didn't leave the rectory and help the other priest distribute communion, "I have better things to do with my time than distribute communion"
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Originally posted by CaelumJR:
It's quite funny how they've tried to skirt (no pun intended) the ecclesiatical jurisdiction issue by being ordained at sea or on rivers. Doesn't Sr. Wanda B. Priest realize that one cannot escape God's jurisdiction? I believe He has some say in the matter (metaphysically speaking of course!).
Gordo :p Gordo, it does give one myni-pause, doesn't it?
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In Portugal this is not really a problem.
I understand that people worry, and that there is a situation with people with agendas, but the solution is never to cut everybody off! Nobody is invited to be a eucharistic minister without some sort of preparation! Certainly these people can be filtered out.
There are men who are ordained to the priesthood who have agendas, there are bishops who have agendas (somebody "ordained" these women)so do we stop ordaining men just because some of them have secret plans to destroy the church?
And finally, I do not have a solid opinion on this, but is it right to group female ordination to the priesthood together with ordination to the diaconate? Seeing as the latter does seem to be a tradition in some places and a part of the history of our church?
God bless,
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And finally, I do not have a solid opinion on this, but is it right to group female ordination to the priesthood together with ordination to the diaconate? Seeing as the latter does seem to be a tradition in some places and a part of the history of our church? No such tradition exists anywhere in the history of Catholic Christianity. Women who became deconesses i.e. St Olympias of Constantinople did not recieve the Sacrament of Holy Orders. They recieved a commission to a certain ministry but not to the ministerial priesthood.
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I think that the women in the article give themselves waaay too much credit. First, they seem to think that the Catholic hierarchy will barge into their ordination ceremony (a la "NOBODY EXPECTS THE SPANISH INQUISITION!") to stop it. Since it's not legitimate, and legitimate Catholic clergy aren't participating (as far as I can tell!) the bishops aren't too concerned. It is just like any other "Ind Movement" ordination. Second, the article talks of the first Canadian woman to be ordained a Catholic priest. That isn't true on two levels: one, the Roman Catholic Church doesn't view the ordination as valid, so she really wouldn't be a Catholic priest; and two, there are certainly "Ind Movement"/Old Catholic groups in Canada that have made women priests. Heck, the Old Catholic Church of Canada has a woman bishop: http://www.oldcatholic.ca/his3.html These women are just making up their small splash to be a big wave. Dave
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These women are just making up their small splash to be a big wave No they're not but the media sure is...
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Originally posted by byzanTN: Originally posted by Amadeus:
[b] Or, they might successfully change "Pepsi" into "Coke" but it remains "Cola" still!
Amado  Cola is a good, inclusive term. [/b]Cola has a feminine ending.
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Originally posted by Orthodox Catholic: Dear James,
Those "womyn!"
Alex Alex, Didn't you mean "wombyn" ? Joe
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Originally posted by Two Lungs:
[/qb] Life is terrible when women are unresponsive. [/QUOTE] LOL! I got that one. Tsk, tsk.
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