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Vision: ACROD, the BCC and the eparchies of Preshov and Mukachevo sharing musical resources.
How can we make this happen?
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What about the Eparchys or Krizevci and Hajdudorog?
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Good point ... all of the eparchies/dioceses that share a common Carpatho-Rusyn heritage.
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Vision: ACROD, the BCC and the eparchies of Preshov and Mukachevo sharing musical resources.
How can we make this happen? We can only hope. Hope Springs Eternal. Ung
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This is a quote from another board and I think it sums this all up.
"From my perspective I think a huge part of the problem is that many of those who have acquired positions of prominence see the Carpatho-Rusyn spiritual musical tradition as one that, while having some value, is very shallow and even superficial. And so they are very willing to try to create new things where they feel the existing tradition is lacking. Unfortunately, I feel that the "faithfulness" that they have proclaimed their own work to have is so myopic as to render the entire tradition, and those who have practiced it in community in this country for several generations, a grave disservice and have wrought destruction. Their new creations, I feel, are of dubious value and were these "authorities" more open to the original tradition in its breadth and depth, would never have been necessary. The end result is alienating people from their own church and will, over time, destroy what remained of the tradition in this country."
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Some thoughts...
The way to do this is to open a new association of cantors and amateurs, but this group being unaffiliated with the church. Invite cantors from any jurisdiction to participate. I would expect some (a few from those who are left) OCA cantors to be interested as well as ACROD and BCC cantors. All could come together for workshops and cant-a-thons.
Recordings of the events could be made, old books and documents could be displayed or even reprinted with the help of vanity publishers.
Call it the 'Sacred Music Preservation Society for Carpatho-Rus Traditions' or something like that. There must be models for such an association in other areas of culture where rare and wonderful things are appreciated.
Forget waiting for the bishops to act, and don't ask them for help unless you have actually put together an active membership list. If you rely on the church authorities it will never happen, once you have something started they will be eager to help.
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Some thoughts...
The way to do this is to open a new association of cantors and amateurs, but this group being unaffiliated with the church. Invite cantors from any jurisdiction to participate. I would expect some (a few from those who are left) OCA cantors to be interested as well as ACROD and BCC cantors. All could come together for workshops and cant-a-thons.
Recordings of the events could be made, old books and documents could be displayed or even reprinted with the help of vanity publishers.
Call it the 'Sacred Music Preservation Society for Carpatho-Rus Traditions' or something like that. There must be models for such an association in other areas of culture where rare and wonderful things are appreciated.
Forget waiting for the bishops to act, and don't ask them for help unless you have actually put together an active membership list. If you rely on the church authorities it will never happen, once you have something started they will be eager to help.
Michael Isn't this what Jerry Jumba is doing already???
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Some thoughts...
The way to do this is to open a new association of cantors and amateurs, but this group being unaffiliated with the church. Invite cantors from any jurisdiction to participate. I would expect some (a few from those who are left) OCA cantors to be interested as well as ACROD and BCC cantors. All could come together for workshops and cant-a-thons.
Recordings of the events could be made, old books and documents could be displayed or even reprinted with the help of vanity publishers.
Call it the 'Sacred Music Preservation Society for Carpatho-Rus Traditions' or something like that. There must be models for such an association in other areas of culture where rare and wonderful things are appreciated.
Forget waiting for the bishops to act, and don't ask them for help unless you have actually put together an active membership list. If you rely on the church authorities it will never happen, once you have something started they will be eager to help.
Michael Isn't this what Jerry Jumba is doing already??? Sorry, I don't know Jerry Jumba. If that's what he's doing I'll endorse it 
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This is a quote from another board and I think it sums this all up.
"From my perspective I think a huge part of the problem is that many of those who have acquired positions of prominence see the Carpatho-Rusyn spiritual musical tradition as one that, while having some value, is very shallow and even superficial. And so they are very willing to try to create new things where they feel the existing tradition is lacking. Unfortunately, I feel that the "faithfulness" that they have proclaimed their own work to have is so myopic as to render the entire tradition, and those who have practiced it in community in this country for several generations, a grave disservice and have wrought destruction. Their new creations, I feel, are of dubious value and were these "authorities" more open to the original tradition in its breadth and depth, would never have been necessary. The end result is alienating people from their own church and will, over time, destroy what remained of the tradition in this country." Could we also know which board this is quoted from as to read the full thread from which this quote came from?
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No. Just use it as food for thought.
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No. Just use it as food for thought. Then the quote might as well have been lifted from Wikipedia for all we know. If you are going to quote someone, give the source. Just common academic courtesy.
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It wasn't from Wikipedia. Just a very well worded post I happened to stumble upon.
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This is a quote from another board and I think it sums this all up.
"From my perspective I think a huge part of the problem is that many of those who have acquired positions of prominence see the Carpatho-Rusyn spiritual musical tradition as one that, while having some value, is very shallow and even superficial. And so they are very willing to try to create new things where they feel the existing tradition is lacking. Unfortunately, I feel that the "faithfulness" that they have proclaimed their own work to have is so myopic as to render the entire tradition, and those who have practiced it in community in this country for several generations, a grave disservice and have wrought destruction. Their new creations, I feel, are of dubious value and were these "authorities" more open to the original tradition in its breadth and depth, would never have been necessary. The end result is alienating people from their own church and will, over time, destroy what remained of the tradition in this country." What I find interesting is that many Ruthenians "think" that certain melodies come from their tradition, when in fact they do not. We have already been borrrowing from other traditions for centuries. What we might think are "new creations" almost always have a precedent in our past.
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This is a quote from another board and I think it sums this all up.
"From my perspective I think a huge part of the problem is that many of those who have acquired positions of prominence see the Carpatho-Rusyn spiritual musical tradition as one that, while having some value, is very shallow and even superficial. And so they are very willing to try to create new things where they feel the existing tradition is lacking. Unfortunately, I feel that the "faithfulness" that they have proclaimed their own work to have is so myopic as to render the entire tradition, and those who have practiced it in community in this country for several generations, a grave disservice and have wrought destruction. Their new creations, I feel, are of dubious value and were these "authorities" more open to the original tradition in its breadth and depth, would never have been necessary. The end result is alienating people from their own church and will, over time, destroy what remained of the tradition in this country." What I find interesting is that many Ruthenians "think" that certain melodies come from their tradition, when in fact they do not. We have already been borrrowing from other traditions for centuries. What we might think are "new creations" almost always have a precedent in our past. What I find interesting are those who are NOT Ruthenian but know EVERYTHING there is know about Prostopinje but have NEVER set foot outside of the USA...
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What I find interesting are those who are NOT Ruthenian but know EVERYTHING there is know about Prostopinje but have NEVER set foot outside of the USA... And whom would that be that you are writing about? A lot of second, third, or heck, maybe even fourth hand information floating about lately regarding a quote whose author we aren't privvy to know. 
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