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The most unfortunate thing about this thread is, once again, sins of the past are dredged up, which seems to take up a lot of space and time on this board. Let's pass the Chicken Kyiv and open a bottle of wine. How about pirohi and otichky? 
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This should be settled once and for all on an episode of Jerry Springer. America must know, are Slovakians really Poles? I am totally indifferent to the answer just the same as if you asked me "Are Hungarians really martians?" (A case could be made, anyone who has tried to learn the language can tell you!) My much belabored point is that academics and pseudo academics can slug this one out for another couple of centuries (making it less relevent still...) and it won't change a damn thing. I will still wake up with as many Japanese dogs on my bed, still be allergic to cats, still be Greek Catholic, still like some foods, still have bad allergies in the spring, still have the same mom and dad, still have the same sister, still be as rich or as poor, still like beer... We get hung up on all this (#$@$) for no especially good reason. About the only way this would REALLY interest me in ANY way is if this fellow were able to prove that *I* was the heir to a vast unclaimed fortune... Other than that? We could all be from Freedonia...
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I don't doubt that there are bigots in Poland, but to hear that.....
At any rate, Poland is in no shape, militarily or economically, to re-establish any empire that existed over 500 years ago. Sorry, I'm not buying it. Poland has run afoul of the EU because Poland wanted the EU's Day Against the Death Penalty to include opposition to abortion. The Polish government was sued in an EU court because they did not permit the woman to have an abortion. Poland wants to build a highway in an area the EU has designated as a "wilderness preserve" or something like that. Oh, and many Poles have a positive view of the US!
Ronald Reagan is a hero to many Poles!
Yes, indeed, all of that will make the EU look favorably on carving out chunks of Ukraine, Slovakia, and Byelorussia and giving it all to Warsaw.
Again, sorry, not buying it.
The most unfortunate thing about this thread is, once again, sins of the past are dredged up, which seems to take up a lot of space and time on this board.
For the bad and evil things done by Poles and the Polish governments through history, the same things have been done to Poles and Poland.
As referenced by an earlier thread, some English seem none too happy about the number of Poles in the UK. Your comments are reasonable, from a political standpoint. I don't take the aforementioned thesis seriously, and I doubt it will have any effect on the outside world. In addition, I would be supportive of Poland against the EU, because they are taking the proper positions. I like what Polish Roman Catholics do liturgically, in contrast to the liturgical antics of the "American Church". My own mother had a Polish-born Great Grandfather. However, with all of that being said, I, by choice, am Greek Catholic, and the incident with the Polish Hierarchy vis a vis the UGCC clergy in Peremyshl-Warsaw is of very recent vintage. This tells me there is still somewhat of a problem. In the context of Church politics, the Ukrainians are well within their rights to resist the antics of a hostile Polish hierarchy. One cannot blame them for being a bit wary. In Christ, Dn. Robert
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The Ukrainian foreign minister asked just last week for the speedy integration of Ukraine into NATO. In fact he is in Brussels this week discussing an accelerated plan. Once Ukraine and Georgia are part of NATO, a secure pipeline bypassing Russia can act as conduit for Caspian Sea oil and gas - which reserves are no less than those in the Arabian Peninsula. Over the Black Sea through Odessa, then Brody (Galicia), and finally the Gdansk shipyards in Poland from where the fuels can be shipped anywhere in the world. The final result will be 100 years of independence for Ukraine.
The Polish government is doing everything possible to get Ukraine into NATO whereas Russia is doing everything possible to make sure that this does not happen. It seems very little has changed in 500 years on the geopolitical front - except that now it's about oil & gas instead of wheat (actually wheat prices have recently soared)
Pope John Paul II did much to bridge the gap between the Polish Catholic Church and the UGCC. It's up the UGCC to claim what is theirs, including the right to have married priest in Poland and to continue promoting the beatification of Metropolitan Andrej Sheptytskyj. It's probably worth noting that 100% of the native born Polish immigrants I meet here are not at all anti-Ukrainian. Most know what the UGCC is and think that their church should also allow priests to marry.
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Ok. As you know, I was having some fun. There is no paper and sorry if I made anyone upset. Remember the thread on Ukrainians and Rusyns I started a while ago to have fun, well, opps I did it again!
With love (and don't kick me too hard)
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That is correct. OP and I never met at the "event" that never happened. I never showed him my thesis and we didn't discuss my plans for Poland in the EU which I don't have.
Nope, nothing happened.
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Deacon Robert, I don't doubt what you say for a minute. After all, it isn't just Poland that has treated Eastern Catholics harshly. There has been plenty of that in the USA.
Changing the subject just a bit, if parts of Ukraine, Slovakia and Byelorussia should be returned to Poland....where does this leave Germany? A chunk of Germany was given to Poland courtesy of Stalin. Prussia ceased to exist. The Kaliningrad Oblast was once part of Prussia, no? Didn't the RSFSR take some of Eastern Ukraine? Should Prussia be re-established?
Who has Alsace-Lorraine these days? Should the Papal States be restored and returned to the Vatican? Should Spain get Gibraltar back? After all, the English weren't around when the Spanish kicked the Moors out.
I think everyone here would agree that Constantinople belongs to Greece.
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Deacon Robert, I don't doubt what you say for a minute. After all, it isn't just Poland that has treated Eastern Catholics harshly. There has been plenty of that in the USA.
Changing the subject just a bit, if parts of Ukraine, Slovakia and Byelorussia should be returned to Poland....where does this leave Germany? A chunk of Germany was given to Poland courtesy of Stalin. Prussia ceased to exist. The Kaliningrad Oblast was once part of Prussia, no? Didn't the RSFSR take some of Eastern Ukraine? Should Prussia be re-established?
Who has Alsace-Lorraine these days? Should the Papal States be restored and returned to the Vatican? Should Spain get Gibraltar back? After all, the English weren't around when the Spanish kicked the Moors out.
I think everyone here would agree that Constantinople belongs to Greece. Most certainly, restore the Papal States!
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