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I refer to Duncan as being "orthodox" in a small "o" sense, since he is committed to traditional Christian beliefs in the Divinity of Christ & the resurrection. I know that the Episcopal Church is not an Apostolic Church.
As far as the term "apostate"- yes, perhaps they are not in the sense of having the creed in their books. Perhaps that is a little cavalier of me.
But then again, do they really believe the creed? How many Episcopal bishops and priests believe in the resurrection of Christ, or that he is truly divine? There is a woman priest who is a practicing Muslim functioning as a "priest" with the hearty approval of her bishop. Is it not fair to question the orthodoxy of such a church?
I realize that there are many Episcopal Churches, parishes, priests and lay people that seek to be committed to historic Christianity. But the denomination on a whole is lost. I can't imagine them ever turning around.
Those that are seeking to be faithful to historic Christianity will have to start a new, or join an Apostolic Church.
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All are schismatics and outside of Grace. The only difference between them is a matter of degree.
Alexandr Point 1: Agree Point 2: Perhaps not for you to say... Point 3: Agree God bless, Gordo
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Agreed. My choice of words was poor. Let me rephrase and say "outside of the Church". We know where Grace is. We do not know where it is not.
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There is a woman priest who is a practicing Muslim functioning as a "priest" with the hearty approval of her bishop. s However, she was still subject to the disciplinary authority of the diocese in which she was originally ordained. The current holder of *that* see summoned her, and has suspended her until she makes up her mind. hawk
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There is a woman priest who is a practicing Muslim functioning as a "priest" with the hearty approval of her bishop. s However, she was still subject to the disciplinary authority of the diocese in which she was originally ordained. The current holder of *that* see summoned her, and has suspended her until she makes up her mind. hawk In the mean time she will be able to do her thinking in her office at the Jesuit uni that has hired her as an adjunct prof for the year. Sigh.
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Yes - for some at various "CINO" universities, "openmindedness" means letting your brains fall out of your head.
Double-sigh.
But aren't many Episcopalians - the non-orthodox kind - essentially Arian or semi-Arian in their theological proclivities? If so, Islam is not much of a leap theologically. Let us recall its statement of belief:
"There is only one God, Mohammed is his prophet and he has no son."
Islam basically sees itself as the fulfillment of Judaism and Christianity, restoring the monotheism "lost" in the Church's doctrine of the Trinity and the Incarnation. How is that any different substantially from the teachings of Arius?
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GORDO: When I was in university, I used to have a saying printed in large letters on my bulletin board. It read "Some open minds should be closed for repairs."   BOB
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"There is only one God, Mohammed is his prophet and he has no son."
Gordo Congrats, by the rules of Islam you are now a Muslim convert! Allah akbar! 
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GORDO: When I was in university, I used to have a saying printed in large letters on my bulletin board. It read "Some open minds should be closed for repairs." BOB LOL!
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"There is only one God, Mohammed is his prophet and he has no son."
Gordo Congrats, by the rules of Islam you are now a Muslim convert! Allah akbar! Yes - since our wedding day, whenever I fail to make coffee in the morning, my wife says to me "Divorce! Divorce! Divorce!" Under sharia law, we've been living in sin for 20 years!  Gordo
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Shades of Ann Coulter in a burkha! What, are you claiming to be a Muslim Republican? That will get you on the anti terrorist watch list faster than you could say Herbie Pfufnik! Alexandr
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Yes - since our wedding day, whenever I fail to make coffee in the morning, my wife says to me "Divorce! Divorce! Divorce!" Gosh, it's *making* coffee that gets me in trouble, both at home and at the office. For that matter, I've been threatened with a copy machine ban, too . . . Under sharia law, we've been living in sin for 20 years! that reminds me, I need to check on our marriage certificate. After 17 years, we noticed it's missing the seal . . . hawk
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Yes - since our wedding day, whenever I fail to make coffee in the morning, my wife says to me "Divorce! Divorce! Divorce!" Under sharia law, we've been living in sin for 20 years! Gordo I am pretty sure the missus doesn't have that right under sharia law... it needs to be the man that does so in front of a certain number of MALE witnesses. That being said, maybe a coffee pot with a timer could facilitate some marital bliss!
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I'm totally new at making comments on Internet sites so I don't know if anyone responds to items written several months ago but I'll give it a try. I have close relatives who are liberal Anglicans (members of the A.C. of Canada). I usually attend their church when I visit them but I feel increasingly uncomfortable doing so. Women priests, a gay Bishop, clergy who deny the resurrection, bishops who say blasphemous things about Holy Scripture, gay marriage, a synod stating that gay relationshops are "sanctified" and on and on I could go!
Are our Bishops giving us any direction about attendance at Anglican services? Have our Bishops made any statements suggsting that ECUSA and ACA are no longer Christian assemblies?
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GORDO: When I was in university, I used to have a saying printed in large letters on my bulletin board. It read "Some open minds should be closed for repairs." BOB When I was in university, I heard something along the same lines: "The problem with having an open mind is that your brains fall out." Fr David Straut
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