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The Russian Orthodox Church today seems to be vocal in condemning the communists and their oppression. However, in the past they worked hand-in-hand with the communists to suppress the Eastern Catholic Churches and in other areas of society. Has there ever been a study or 'call to account' of the Russian Orthodox's collaboration with the communists and to what degree and in what ways this took place?
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The Russian Orthodox Church today seems to be vocal in condemning the communists and their oppression. I guess one can see why Under Communist rule
Before and after the October Revolution of November 7, 1917 (October 25 Old Calendar) there was a movement within the Soviet Union to unite all of the people of the world under Communist rule (see Communist International). This included the Eastern European bloc countries as well as the Balkan States. Since some of these Slavic states tied their ethnic heritage to their ethnic churches, both the peoples and their church were targeted by the Soviets. [12]
The Soviet Union was the first state to have as an ideological objective the elimination of religion. Toward that end, the Communist regime confiscated church property, ridiculed religion, harassed believers, and propagated atheism in the schools. Actions toward particular religions, however, were determined by State interests, and most organized religions were never outlawed. Some actions against Orthodox priests and believers along with execution included torture being sent to prison camps, labour camps or mental hospitals.[13][14] Many Orthodox (along with peoples of other faiths) were also subjected to psychological punishment or torture and mind control experimentation in order to force them give up their religious convictions.[15][16]
Thousands of churches and monasteries were taken over by the government and either destroyed or converted to secular use. It was impossible to build new churches. Practising Orthodox Christians were restricted from prominent careers and membership in communist organizations (the party, the Komsomol). Anti-religious propaganda was openly sponsored and encouraged by the government, which the Church was not given an opportunity to publicly respond to. The government youth organization, the Komsomol, encouraged its members to vandalize Orthodox Churches and harass worshippers. Seminaries were closed down, and the church was restricted from using the press.
The history of Orthodoxy (and other religions) under Communism was not limited to this story of repression and secularization. Bolshevik policies toward religious belief and practice tended to vacillate over time between, on the one hand, a utopian determination to substitute secular rationalism for what they considered to be an unmodern, "superstitious" worldview and, on the other, pragmatic acceptance of the tenaciousness of religious faith and institutions. In any case, religious beliefs and practices did persist, in the domestic and private spheres but also in the scattered public spaces allowed by a state that recognized its failure to eradicate religion and the political dangers of an unrelenting culture war.[17]
In November 1917, following the collapse of the tsarist government, a council of the Russian Orthodox church reestablished the patriarchate and elected the metropolitan Tikhon as patriarch. But the new Soviet government soon declared the separation of church and state and nationalized all church-held lands. These administrative measures were followed by brutal state-sanctioned persecutions that included the wholesale destruction of churches and the arrest and execution of many clerics. The Russian Orthodox church was further weakened in 1922, when the Renovated Church, a reform movement supported by the Soviet government, seceded from Patriarch Tikhon's church (also see the Josephites and the Russian True Orthodox Church), restored a Holy Synod to power, and brought division among clergy and faithful.
The result of this militant atheism was to transform the Church into a persecuted and martyred Church. In the first five years after the Bolshevik revolution, 28 bishops and 1,200 priests were executed.[18]
Stalinist era
The main target of the anti-religious campaign in the 1920s and 1930s was the Russian Orthodox Church, which had the largest number of faithful. Nearly all of its clergy, and many of its believers, were shot or sent to labor camps. Theological schools were closed, and church publications were prohibited.
The sixth sector of the OGPU, led by Eugene Tuchkov, began aggressively arresting and executing bishops, priests, and devout worshippers, such as Metropolitan Veniamin in Petrograd in 1922 for refusing to accede to the demand to hand in church valuables (including sacred relics). In the period between 1927 and 1940, the number of Orthodox Churches in the Russian Republic fell from 29,584 to less than 500. Between 1917 and 1935, 130,000 Orthodox priests were arrested. Of these, 95,000 were put to death, executed by firing squad.[citation needed] Many thousands of victims of persecution became recognized in a special canon of saints known as the "new martyrs and confessors of Russia".
Patriarch Tikhon anathematized the communist government, which further antagonized relations. When Tikhon died in 1925, the Soviet authorities forbade patriarchal elections to be held. Patriarchal locum tenens (acting Patriarch) Metropolitan Sergius (Stragorodsky, 1887-1944), going against the opinion of a major part of the church's parishes, in 1927 issued a declaration accepting the Soviet authority over the church as legitimate, pledging the church's cooperation with the government and condemning political dissent within the church. By this he granted himself with the power that he, being a deputy of imprisoned Metropolitan Peter and acting against his will, had no right to assume according to the XXXIV Apostolic canon, which led to a split with the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia abroad and the Russian True Orthodox Church (Russian Catacomb Church) within the Soviet Union, as they remained faithful to the Canons of the Apostles, declaring the part of the church led by Metropolitan Sergius schism, sometimes coined as sergianism. Due to this canonical disagreement it is disputed which church has been the legitimate successor to the Russian Orthodox Church that had existed before 1925.[19][20][21][22] In 1927, in order to secure the survival of the church, Metropolitan Sergius formally expressed his "loyalty" to the Soviet government and henceforth refrained from criticizing the state in any way. This attitude of loyalty, however, provoked more divisions in the church itself: inside Russia, a number of faithful opposed Sergius, and abroad, the Russian metropolitans of America and Western Europe severed their relations with Moscow.
After Nazi Germany's attack on the Soviet Union in 1941, Joseph Stalin revived the Russian Orthodox Church to intensify patriotic support for the war effort[23]. On September 4, 1943, Metropolitans Sergius (Stragorodsky), Alexius (Simansky) and Nikolay (Yarushevich) received a permission to convene a council on September 8, 1943, that elected Sergius Patriarch of Moscow and All Russia. This is considered by some violation of the XXX Apostolic canon, as no church hierarch could be consecrated by secular authorities.[19] A new patriarch was elected, theological schools were opened, and thousands of churches began to function. The Moscow Theological Academy Seminary, which had been closed since 1918, was re-opened.
Between 1945 and 1959 the official organization of the church was greatly expanded, although individual members of the clergy were occasionally arrested and exiled. The number of open churches reached 25,000. By 1957 about 22,000 Russian Orthodox churches had become active. But in 1959 Nikita Khrushchev initiated his own campaign against the Russian Orthodox Church and forced the closure of about 12,000 churches. By 1985 fewer than 7,000 churches remained active. Members of the church hierarchy were jailed or forced out, their places taken by docile clergy, many of whom had ties with the KGB.
Persecution under Khrushchev and Brezhnev
A new and widespread persecution of the church was subsequently instituted under the leadership of Nikita Khrushchev and Leonid Brezhnev. A second round of repression, harassment and church closures took place between 1959 and 1964 during the rule of Nikita Khrushchev.
The Church and the government remained on unfriendly terms until 1988. In practice, the most important aspect of this conflict was that openly religious people could not join the Communist Party of the Soviet Union, which meant that they could not hold any political office. However, among the general population, large numbers remained religious.
Some Orthodox believers and even priests took part in the dissident movement and became prisoners of conscience. The Orthodox priests Gleb Yakunin, Sergiy Zheludkov and others spent years in Soviet prisons and exile for their efforts in defending freedom of worship.[24] Among the prominent figures of that time was Father Aleksandr Men. Althoug he tried to keep away from practical work of the dissident movement intending to better fulfil his calling as a priest, there was a spiritual link between Fr Aleksander and many of the dissidents. For some of them he was a friend, for others - a godfather, for many (including Yakunin) - spiritual father[25].
By 1987 the number of functioning churches in the Soviet Union had fallen to 6893 and the number of functioning monasteries to just 18. In 1987 in the Russian SFSR, between 40% and 50% of newborn babies (depending on the region) were baptized and over 60% of all deceased received Christian funeral services. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Russian_Orthodox_Church#Under_Communist_rule
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I know that there was much tension in the past between the Moscow Patriarchy and ROCA/ROCOR (who felt that Patriarchy had collaborated) over this, but it has apparently been resolved.
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Dear Friends,
And RC prelates collaborated locally with all sorts of fascist leaders and Evangelical Christians are in sync with the state as well.
It would be a mistake to single out the ROC as if it is a unique case in this respect.
It is not.
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As an ex Evangelical I would hardly say they have as much power as you imply. If they did abortion would be outlawed.
I think that most people wonder about The MP's ties to the KGB. Also the supession of Greek Catholics and Roman Catholic parishes in Eastern block countries. The Pope didn't do that with Hitler contrary to popular liberal opinion.
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Dear MrsMW,
Not that they actually have power beyond their influence via the "Christian Right" but that they are in truth aligned with the objectives of the American state. This is why dictators in Latin America, when they grow tired of Catholic revolutionaries upsetting them, turn to full approval of Evangelical groups.
Ties between local RC prelates to fascist groups in Spain and elsewhere are well documented. That Pope Piux XII saved hundreds of thousands of Jews - very well discussed in Pinchas Lapide's book, "The last three Popes and the Jews."
The fact that the MP had ties to the KGB - also well documented.
The suppression of the EC parishes in Ukraine (were the RC parishes ever suppressed? Hardly think so, because that is where EC's tended to migrate afterwards and this is why there is today a Ukrainian RC Church) is also well known.
This hasn't prevented Rome from going its merry way with its "ostpolitik" policies, refusing the UGCC patriarchate, not allowing Russian Byzantine Catholics to have their own hierarchy and an assortment of other policies that are definitely intended to suppress ECism in its own element.
Why isn't that a problem for us? The KGB suppression made the EC Church strong and resilient, so much so that it is now what it is in E. Europe.
Rome's policies toward the EC churches there will only serve to do what the KGB failed to do.
Alex
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Alex,
I know what you are saying, but in all charity sometimes it seems that many times someone asks a legitimate question about Byzantines which might not reflect well on them, you invariably point out how bad us Romans have botched it up, too! Can't you just let it alone and discuss the issue at hand instead of making sure every person who comes across this thread knows that Westerners have made similar mistakes as well?
We are all human and we all make mistakes and no Church or ritual tradition is perfect...and we *know* that.
The incessant preoccupation with this stuff is a little out of control.
Alexis
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Dear Alexis,
Given what you have said and what you agree with what I have said, what is the legitimate question here then?
Alex
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"Has there ever been a study or 'call to account' of the Russian Orthodox's collaboration with the communists and to what degree and in what ways this took place?"
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By the way, I would write you a PM but you seem to have that feature blocked.
Your vast array of knowledge in so many areas and your clear love for Rome and the Church I am NOT calling into question! It's just that after this happens, thread after thread after thread, it begins to seem that there may be some hidden agenda or insecurity behind the preoccupation with how us Westerners are as bad or worse in any given area as the Byzantines.
Certainly it would seem fair to admit that there are some terrible things that Byzantines have done that Latins have not, and vice versa, all while admitting that both sides have collaborated and been involved in events which are not worthy of true Christians.
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Dear Alexis,
Well, Rome has never called the MP to account. And one would have hoped that Rome would be the first to want to do this, given the fact that the EC Church there suffered for its union with Rome.
There is a study in Russia done by a former KGB head about the persecution of Orthodox Christians that I've seen discussed on the MP site. It was done at the expressed wish of Gorbachev and the conclusions were made public.
This former KGB officer, now an Orthodox Christian, said that of all the tortures inflicted on Orthodox Christians, the most horrifying for him was placing people naked on frozen lakes and pouring water on them so they would freeze in ice blocks.
The question as you've put it is a tendentious one designed not to see the full range of the tragedy that Orthodox Russia suffered and that Ukraine and other countries suffered, but to blame the ROC exclusively for this collaboration.
And we know that many ROC Hierarchs and clergy and monastics and laity went to their deaths rather than submit to the atheistic regime.
As for studies on all this, they are readily available.
Alex
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Dear Alexis,
Actually, I don't know how it happened that the PM thing is blocked. I was away from here for a while (entirely my fault, as you know) and I've never fixed it (didn't think there was anyone here wanting to talk to me anyway!).
I'm just trying to keep things in a fair balance. If anyone, I have the most reason to complain about the MP etc. as you know.
I'm not saying that Westerners are worse - just don't know about any of that.
It's just that we Catholics, and I'm perhaps more guilty of that than anyone, love to sometimes demonstrate a false sense of moral superiority over the Orthodox.
I sensed that here and that is why I've reacted the way I have - and will continue to.
No inferiority complex here at all. If anything, I think I've finally overcome a former inferiority complex.
Your servant,
Alex
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As an ex Evangelical I would hardly say they have as much power as you imply. If they did abortion would be outlawed.
I think that most people wonder about The MP's ties to the KGB. Also the supession of Greek Catholics and Roman Catholic parishes in Eastern block countries. The Pope didn't do that with Hitler contrary to popular liberal opinion. Total accuracy is needed here. The Moscow Patriarchate was essentially controlled by the KGB. One cannot consider any decisions made by the Russian Church during this period as being decisions freely made. One cannot blame the Russian Church for the legalization of abortion in Russia. That would be like accusing Rome of being complicit in abortion due to the fact that abortion is legal in Italy. I myself have had the privilege of marching along side Orthodox participants in the annual March for Life in Washington, DC. Although the number of Orthodox in the United States is a fraction of the number of Catholics the percentage of Orthodox bishops giving witness to the Right to Life each January is very much higher. The Catholic bishops come for the Mass and skip the Right to Life March. Each year there are a number of Orthodox bishops on the platform leading the March.
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Dear Administrator, Will all due respect, you've completely missed the boat here - MrsMW was referring to the Evangelicals and their power over the U.S. No intention on her part to implicate the ROC re: abortion in Russia. You should read these posts more carefully! Alex
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Thank you Alex. You are right. The EO always come out for the march for life. I was talking about the Evangelicals!
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