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Yuhannon,
Blessed Subkono/Forgiveness Monday/Ash Monday to you, my brother!!
I was wondering if you would do me a favour - could you find out if the Syriac Catholics at your parish have any knowledge of the Syriac Mission in Chicago? I wanted to get in touch with their priest to invite them to the Malankara-Syriac Church in Chicago, but I am having no luck!
God's peace and strength to you this Sowmo Rabo!
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Question on Ash Monday.
Why is it on Monday?
Just concelebrated the Maronite Liturgy here, what a wonderful experience.
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Yuhannon,
Blessed Subkono/Forgiveness Monday/Ash Monday to you, my brother!!
I was wondering if you would do me a favour - could you find out if the Syriac Catholics at your parish have any knowledge of the Syriac Mission in Chicago? I wanted to get in touch with their priest to invite them to the Malankara-Syriac Church in Chicago, but I am having no luck!
God's peace and strength to you this Sowmo Rabo! Blessing to you Aho (Brother), Call Abuna Sutton at (201) 583-1067, he is the secretary to the eprach and can help you. Poosh BaShlomo, Yuhannon
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Question on Ash Monday.
Why is it on Monday?
Just concelebrated the Maronite Liturgy here, what a wonderful experience.
Stephanos I Shlomo Stephanos, Our Lenten season is different from the Roman Church here is an outline of our Seasons: 1- Consecration of the Church: 04 Nov 2007--17 Nov 2007; 2- The Season of the Birth of the Lord: 18 Nov 2007--05 Jan 2008; 3- Epiphany Season: 06 Jan 2008--12 Jan 2008; 4- The Three Weeks before Lent: 13 Jan 2008-- 03 Feb 2008; 5- Lent Season: 04 Feb 2008-- 16 March 2008; 6- Passion Week: 17 March 2008--22 March 2008; 7- Resurrection Season: 23 March 2008--10 May 2008; 8- Pentecost Season: 11 May 2008--13 Sept 2008; 9- Holy Cross Season: 14 Sept 2008-- 01 Nov 2008; Poosh BaShlomo, Yuhannon
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I know that but that still doesnt answer the why on Monday.
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I know that but that still doesnt answer the why on Monday.
Stephanos I for the Latin Church Lent starts Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Saturday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days. for the Byzantine Churches Lent starts the Monday before the Latin Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Thursday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days.
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Dear All, Lent is upon us this Monday for those in the Syriac Traditions atleast. God help everyone in their fasting and prayers. In regards to the co-celebration issue, one of our priests was very kind in providing me some clarification. Father Dimitri informed me: Regarding canon 702 the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches concerning concelebration, please know that the patrimony of the Church of the East, notably in the Canons of the Synods, explicitly rejects any form of concelebration and stipulates that the priest and deacons celebrating the Holy Offering are to receive the Body and Blood of the Lord before anyone else, even if a bishop be present. This should be understood in light of the document APPLYING THE LITURGICAL PRESCRIPTIONS OF THE CODE OF CANONS OF THE EASTERN CHURCHES - Congregation for the Eastern Churches, "Addressing the different forms of participation in the Eucharistic celebration, the Code of Canons of the Eastern Churches reminds us many times of the need to respect the prescriptions of the liturgical books and the particular law. This requirement also applies to concelebration, considering that the ways of practicing it in the different Churches <sui iuris> and of the different ritual families vary." Regarding Mar Bawai or his priests being able to use Catholic churches, please see "Decree on the Catholic Churches of the Eastern Rite - Second Vatican Council, paragraphs 28 & 29,
"28. Further, given the same principles, common participation by Catholics with their Eastern separated brethren in sacred functions, things and places is allowed for a just cause.
29. This conciliatory policy with regard to "communicatio in sacris" (participation in things sacred) with the brethren of the separated Eastern Churches is put into the care and control of the local hierarchs, in order that, by combined counsel among themselves and, if need be, after consultation also with the hierarchs of the separated churches, they may by timely and effective regulations and norms direct the relations among Christians." I hope that cleared up things in regards to that issue. In Christ, Anthony
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Fr. Stephanos, bless.
The Syriac Churches have a 50-day Sawmo Rabo (Great Lent) including the Sundays. In the Syro-Chaldean Tradition the Monday is called Forgiveness Monday, I think sometimes it is called "Ash" Monday because it starts the Great Lent (as Ash Wednesday does for Latins) in the East - although the Maronites and Syro-Malabarese have do distribute ashes on Ash Monday, while Malankarese, Syriacs, and as far as I know Byzantines do not. I am not aware of the Chaldean/CotE practice - Shammasha Thomas, does your Church practice the distribution of ashes, as well as the CotE?
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could you find out if the Syriac Catholics at your parish have any knowledge of the Syriac Mission in Chicago? I wanted to get in touch with their priest to invite them to the Malankara-Syriac Church in Chicago, but I am having no luck! Michael, Saint Mary Virgin Immaculate Syriac Mission meets at Our Lady of Lebanon Maronite Church in Hillside (425 North Hillside, Hillside IL 60162). Telephone listing is (708) 449-7947 (Fax) 449-9813, but I have a feeling those are the numbers for the Maronite parish itself. The Syriac mission is administered by the Chancery, so the contact info that Yuhannon supplied is likely your best bet. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Neil,
Our Lady of Lebanon is no longer in Hillside - they were using an old Latin parish for weekly use (now the building is a police station) while their new building was being built. Our Lady of Lebanon is now in Lombard, I have emailed the priest at OLoL, but haven't received a response - I'm not sure that the email address is active.
Lenten peace my brother,
Michael
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Neil,
Our Lady of Lebanon is no longer in Hillside - they were using an old Latin parish for weekly use (now the building is a police station) while their new building was being built. Our Lady of Lebanon is now in Lombard, I have emailed the priest at OLoL, but haven't received a response - I'm not sure that the email address is active.
Lenten peace my brother,
Michael Shlomo Michael Thoma, Here is the information for OLOL from our offical website: Church Name: Our Lady of Lebanon
Address: 950 N. Grace St.
City, State, Zip: Lombard, Illinois 60148
Phone: 630-932-9640
Fax: 630-932-9463
Website: http://www.ollchicago.org Priest: Msgr. Alfred Badawi
Priest Email: abadawi@ollchicago.org Poosh BaShlomo, Yuhannon
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I know that but that still doesnt answer the why on Monday.
Stephanos I for the Latin Church Lent starts Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Saturday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days. for the Byzantine Churches Lent starts the Monday before the Latin Ash Wednesday and ends Holy Thursday. Not counting Sundays that gives 40 days. I thought that Lent ends on the day before Lazarus Saturday in the Greek Catholic church?
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Our Lady of Lebanon is no longer in Hillside Michael, Apologies for the misinformation, my friend. I was relying on a Syriac site that I had bookmarked and should have known better. Unfortunately, as a group, their websites are probably among the least-maintained in the US. Many years, Neil
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Hello! I am new to the forum. I wrote the biogrpahy of Bishop John of Urmia, part of a project of biographies and photos of all the ROCOR Bishops from the beginning of ROCOR (1921).
I was very surprised to learn that my writing is in the style of the 19th century Russian Seminary-an observation on this forum. I suppose that could be good or bad . . . probably better, though, than the writing of a 21st century Seminary anywhere in the United States-taking consideration of the educational standards prevailing today!
Anyway-I would be very interested to learn of any "Orthodox Assyrian" or "Assyrian Orthodox" parish/parishes still in existence in Baghdad, or anywhere else! I knew that Bishop John of Urmia had a church in Baghdad after World War II, but, that is ablut all I knew!
Also would be greatly interested in any photos of Bishop John (Gewargizov) of Urmia, or Abum Mar Elia (Abraham), his predecessor.
I dont know if it was the person whom commented on my writing, or someone else on here mentioned that they had to "check out" more about Bishop John....well, it is all the truth, at least according to the sources listed at the end of the
biography! Is there anything specific you felt you needed to "check out"?
Also, would be glad to answer any questions that I can answer about the "Orthodox Assyrians," as well as "little known" ROCOR stuff...like their Romanian New CalendarDiocese, the Bulgarian Diocese, the American Mission with its American Archbishop, Dutch Orthodox Church, French Orthodox Church, Chinese missions, and the "almost" conversion to Orthodoxy of a large amount of "Oriental Orthodox" in India, which was interrupted by World War II...and probably be asking a lot of questions myself...and if I offend anyone, let me ask forgiveness now...but as we ROCOR people are known as "conservative" (which I dont really think is the right descriptive...), we have beliefs that dont always jibe with the -uh- ecumenical etiquette of this age....
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Anyway-I would be very interested to learn of any "Orthodox Assyrian" or "Assyrian Orthodox" parish/parishes still in existence in Baghdad, or anywhere else! I knew that Bishop John of Urmia had a church in Baghdad after World War II, but, that is ablut all I knew! A Sombra, Welcome to the forum. As I recollect, there was speculation a few years ago about a single surviving church in Baghdad and possibly one in Russia. However, I've seen nothing that would confirm the former and read somewhere that the Russian group had been assimilated into Russian Orthodoxy. As I'm sure you know, the whole story of the "Assyrian Orthodox" is little-known and pretty much just a curious footnote to all but those few folks who thrive on ecclesial minutiae (and, yes, I'm one of those). Many years, Neil
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