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Sorry to be a stickler, but it's: � Vaya con Dios! And "The Simple Sinner" would probably be "El pecador humilde" unless someone has a better translation. Of course I now expect help with my Ukrainian.  Sigh... I am too simple to know these things. I took German in HS, Russian in college, and learned what little Spanish I know in restaraunts... "el sinner simple" is what babel fish spit out at me. I knew it was too obvious to be true!
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If you believe (as we do) that there is an apostolic see to which a leadership role was Divinely given, and a promise of the gates of hell not prevailing... Checking in with that guy every 5 years for 15 minutes doesn't seem such a burden, chore, or problem. Even with the leading premise in place as an accepted belief, my perception of the relation as outlined in the story is that of a mother church and not a brother church. In this regard I don't think my perception is wrong. Ultimately it is not my business or my problem, but it is what I see. 5 cents.
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Alex,
I would like to e-mail you or get in touch via PM. It seems that you have PM turned off. Same here... Peace, Anthony
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If you believe (as we do) that there is an apostolic see to which a leadership role was Divinely given, and a promise of the gates of hell not prevailing... Checking in with that guy every 5 years for 15 minutes doesn't seem such a burden, chore, or problem. Even with the leading premise in place as an accepted belief, my perception of the relation as outlined in the story is that of a mother church and not a brother church. In this regard I don't think my perception is wrong. Ultimately it is not my business or my problem, but it is what I see. 5 cents. If the creation and endowment of the Petrine See with Divinely mandated leadership and protections against error (which we believe predates concepts of ecclesiology, national churches or other patriarchates) isn't something that is real, or at least warranting more respect than suspicion that the heir to Peter isn't just turf jumping or sidestepping influence... Well, I guess we are at an impasse then. I can't help how you see it through your lenses, you can't help me through mine. On the face if it though, if we think each other sincere and writing in good faith, maybe some acceptance of explinations about ourselves when we explain ourselves could be had. We don't feel that making a trip to the Eternal City and meeting the Pope of Rome for 15 min every 5 years is as ominous or nefarious as some who DON'T do that seem to think. If we are the ones doing it, and don't feel that way, maybe there is something to be said for that? My 7�
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Dear Byzantophile, FYI, I am in LOVE with Spain and Barcelona in particular. For my 50th birthday last year, I commissioned an icon of Antonio Gaudi to be written - it was delivered to me recently and it is quite beautiful. I pray he is beatified soon. And I love the tradition of Our Lady of Mercedes/Mercy, the white scapular and the Saints of St Raymond's order. Walking along the back-streets of Barcelona, one comes across so many wall-shrines - but how can one not stop at each one to say a prayer?  Alex
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Observed during the visit were the 50th anniversary of the ordination to the priesthood of Patriarch Lubomyr and also his 75th Birthday (February 26, 2008)
http://www.ugcc.org.ua/eng/press-releases/article;6376/
http://www.ugcc.org.ua/eng/press-releases/article;6368/
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Dear Byzantophile,
FYI, I am in LOVE with Spain and Barcelona in particular.
For my 50th birthday last year, I commissioned an icon of Antonio Gaudi to be written - it was delivered to me recently and it is quite beautiful.
I pray he is beatified soon. And I love the tradition of Our Lady of Mercedes/Mercy, the white scapular and the Saints of St Raymond's order.
Walking along the back-streets of Barcelona, one comes across so many wall-shrines - but how can one not stop at each one to say a prayer? Funny you should mention that, I am in the process of becoming a secular third order Mercedarian. As for the wall-shrines, just try going to Rome where there is one on every corner.
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Dear Byzantophile,
All roads lead to Rome, or so I've been told - Barcelona and Spain are particularly beautiful.
You are very lucky to be with the Mercedarians and to wear their beautiful shield with the red stripes and Holy Cross of the Cathedral of Barcelona!!
May Our Lady of Mercy and St Eulalia protect you always!
Alex
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Alex,
My point is...why is another Bishop in another jurisdiction giving instructions to another bishops in another jurisdiction what they should do with their priests.
I have the impression that there is an indirect implication that the Byzantine bishops aren't doing their jobs...and if they aren't, then that's not the Pope's place to say it...it's Husar's responsibility to make such statment. That's my opinion.
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Deaf Byzantine Except for the fact that the Pope has universal jurisdiction over the entire Church. Or did you forget that?
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Except for the fact that the Pope has universal jurisdiction over the entire Church. Not according to St. Gregory Palamas.
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Except for the fact that the Pope has universal jurisdiction over the entire Church. Not according to St. Gregory Palamas. I think universal jurisdiction is a frequently misunderstood term. People often forget that: "The pope is circumscribed by the consciousness of the necessity of making a righteous and beneficent use of the duties attached to his privileges....He is also circumscribed by the spirit and practice of the Church, by the respect due to General Councils and to ancient statutes and customs, by the rights of bishops, by his relation with civil powers, by the traditional mild tone of government indicated by the aim of the institution of the papacy -- to "feed" -- and finally by the respect indispensable in a spiritual power towards the spirit and mind of nations." --Catholic Church & Christian State by Cardinal Hergenr�ther
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I think universal jurisdiction is a frequently misunderstood term. Does anyone understand what it means? Nick
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Does anyone understand what it means? This might be a good start, though be careful not to take things out of context. http://www.newadvent.org/cathen/12260a.htm
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