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I have to get this off my chest...I know that many of you will vehemently disagree and others may agree--

It is a fact that in just about every case of this magnitude, it is found out that the perpetrator of the crime has been delving into the occult or devil worship.

Many murderers of this type have even said that voices told them to kill.

The media will often mention a satan worship or occult connection once (if you are lucky enough to catch it) and then it will never be mentioned again.

Infact, the other day I was reading something that mentioned the Son of Sam who terrorized NYC in the 1970's (and who shot someone that was a friend of a friend of mine), and who has since become a born again Christian in prison, and has given in full detail his Satan worshipping activities that led to the voices which told him to kill, and yet it completely skipped over that.

Therefore I conclude that these persons are clearly demon possessed, and that unless secular society comes to grips with this phenomenon, it will continue. Although I personally despise guns, these types of murders have really nothing to do with guns, but with satan himself and his assault on society through a society that denies his existence!

Lord Jesus Christ have mercy!
Jesus Christ is VICTORIOUS, let all evil be scatterd in His most HOLY NAME! AMEN!

Alice

Alice,

Guns are harmless if left to themselves. It is the owners that are the danger at times.

Agreed, but my post was not about guns. Please let's get back to the topic. Thanks!

Then I don't agree with your broad painting of the situation. It appears that the latest shooting may have been the result of the nasty side effect of a prescription drug withdrawal.

I disagree. I believe that he was demon possessed. Side effects create agression and suicidal tendencies, but don't specifically send you out to a specific place to kill. However, stories abound that this is EXACTLY what the evil one does, by people who have had the unfortunate experience of meeting him through his channels..I even saw a story of this sort on television, and how the young man was trying to avoid these visits with these instructions!

That is what society would like to believe, and even in cases where they are told point blank that the perpetrator was told by the devil who he was worshipping, to kill, society doesn't believe it. It is dismissed.

I contend that as a society we are too scared to accept demon possession exists because we don't want to accept that the devil exists.

The saints, holy popes, the monastics of the Holy Mountain, and our Lord Himself, who exorcised those who were possessed, would probably disagree with secular society's denial.

There is a reason that the current Pope is reinstituting exorcists throughout the world.

Alice

Well, I disagree just as strongly back. That is your opinion and I take it for what it is worth, your opinion.

So - if you believe it is demonic Alice , what is your solution ?

I have to agree with the Squirrel.

I'll even make a prediction, before the end of our lives, we see many of these anti-depressants that are on the market today banned. They are messing people up even more and they are dangerous.


Monomakh

Now there I think we hear sense.

Drugs are always being removed from the market becasue of 'unexpected ' reactions. I frequently wonder if the testing process is long enough or indeed thorough enough.

Too many of these pills are handed out like sweeties

A woman where my daughter use to work, came home and found that her son had taken knives to everything in their home. He had literaly cut everything to shreds that he could and then stuck all the knives in the walls - after he cut the walls up.

She got home, after taking him to the hospital, found out the doctor had mixed to medications that should not be used together. He is now in the psych ward of a hospital. Thank God she was not home when he was going bonkers.

What he has is bi-polar disorder. My daughter said he seemed to be a really nice guy, in his 20s. So I agree with Alice, I think there is a lot of demonic pocession, but I also think alot of it is because of these drug actions - reactions.

One thing that may be happening that combines them both, is the person does not have total control of his mind while on these drugs. If a person is not a person of very strong faith, when the mind is left blankly open, it allows for entrance of things not desired.

LORD JESUS CHRIST, SON OF THE LIVING GOD, HAVE MERCY ON US AND ON THE WHOLE WORLD!

There is also another way of looking at this problem.

There has been a good deal of publicity over here about this . Not that it is an isolated incident either - there seems to have been a 'crop' of them. So how do we stop them ?

If guns are easy to get hold of then both unbalanced people as well as wicked people will get and possess them - some will get more than one gun

But how do you decide who is unbalanced and who is wicked ?

Even here with our much stricter gun laws we still can't get them out of circulation

If you take the guns away from the 'honest, hardworking people, that are working and desiring to protect' their families, then those who desire to harm others will be the only ones that have them.

Case in point, look to prohibition, it didn't stop alcohol.
If a gangster wants a gun, they will find a way to get it. The mob members had no prolems getting machine guns. The law of the land means nothing to these people. No guns would only throw the doors wide open for those who only desire harm to others.

I think it's a lot of these meds and their side effects, and the devil is just laughing at us. We bit the forbidden fruit again: this time in a pill. I also agree that a lot of these medications may well be banned or much more restricted in the future . . . at least, I hope.

-- John

Our society must come to terms with how little we know about brain development and brain chemistry and the consequences of manipulating brain function through medication. There are times when some medication is needed, but it can't be a crutch to substitute a well formed conscience.

About demonic possession, one must wonder if the current trend of psychotherapy makes a patient vulnerable or open to demonic influences. If well-being has nothing or little to do with the pursuit of God's will, people can get into spiritual trouble when listening to their undeveloped conscience.

Terry

People don't suddenly become mentally ill or deranged because they take bad medicine. Something is wrong with society that goes well beyond medicine.

What bothers me is that in virtually everyone of thes situations the same response is heard. First, we need more laws to limit guns. We must have more laws to keep guns out of the hands of crazy people. Yet, the guns in this case and in most cases of the like were purchased legally. Second, the claim is made that the school or someone needs to control others better.

In other words, the secular answer is always legalistic. The solution is more laws and more enforcement because people like power and believe that they know how to exercise it. Rarely does anyone suggest a spiritual problem with a spiritual answer.

CDL