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I have to agree with the Squirrel.
I'll even make a prediction, before the end of our lives, we see many of these anti-depressants that are on the market today banned. They are messing people up even more and they are dangerous.
Monomakh Too many of these pills are handed out like sweeties  I agree somewhat but this depends on the individual doctor prescribing. Most are quite competent.
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Dear Brian,
Unfortunately, so many people I have spoken to have doctors that want to prescribe these meds for the stupidest thing like (something I saw firsthand): "you have a cold--well, do you smoke--because I can give you antidepressant xxxx for that, because it can help you quit"--even when the person said that they don't want to quit and was there for a respiratory infection!!!...
They are definitely getting kickbacks, and that is so sad because now you cannot even trust your own doctor. They also never mention the side effects of withdrawal or the side effects of weight gain in taking them...I have seen all this and more in the past few years, and all I can say is that I have become DISGUSTED with the ethics of doctors regarding these dangerous medications.
The doctor of a friend of mine was handing out free samples to little old ladies and everyone else who visited his office!!!
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Sadly, in our public educational institutions here in the USA, teachers cannot preach against religions or beliefs that promote satanism and sinful lifestyles. Worse, there are courses offered in almost every community college and state college which discuss satanism and witchcraft. Our youth are being exposed to satanism through music and through their peers and they are being corrupted. I have known some good students from God-fearing families who lapsed from the faith during their senior year in high school or when they entered college. Even monks can be tempted to fall through the allure of pride and the desire for recognition. So, while we ourselves may be strong in the faith, our children and friends may suffer tremendously. Let us pray. Lord have mercy on us and save us, for we perish. Exactly, demonic powers are real, but so is free will. With Christ on our side the devil is powerless. Aside from a persons backround or chemsitry some people simply dont want to be saved. As it says in the scriptures "ask and you shall receive," I think people fail to realize that that rule applies for good as well as evil. Dear Elizabeth Maria, Indeed....and SO many American youths are not reared in religious homes, so they are even more vulnerable by not having any guidance whatsoever in avoiding the evil one through all his many venues of the day... It is unfortunate that people are unaware of the seriousness of the many strong and dangerous influences which abound in the culture of today's youth. In Christ, Alice
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[quote=Our Lady's slave][quote=Monomakh]I have to agree with the Squirrel.
I'll even make a prediction, before the end of our lives, we see many of these anti-depressants that are on the market today banned. They are messing people up even more and they are dangerous.
Monomakh Deffinately a wonderful thought. Sadly enough, before that happends I cant help but feel that anti-deppresants will first be available over the counter in convenient pocket size packs like a box of tic-tacs.
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(sorry somehow my timing was off with that post)
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But I thought the Illinois shooter was NOT taking medication at the time. The problem was going off meds, not mixing them.
Perhaps, mental imbalance can make one more susceptible to demonic influences because of spiritual weakness.
The jekyll and hyde personality is what makes this scary.I admit I don't want to succumb to fear, but when I go on campus now I am going to rehearse escape routes as well as add an campus prayer time.
The police were tracking down the former lieve-on girlfriend who walked out on him in December. My guess is she'll be a valuable source of information.
As for Colombine, I read an article from mental health professionals stating that one of the shooters exhibited all the symptoms of a psycho (or socio) path and his sidekick was just barely holding on mentally. Had this young man been reached earlier and received intense mental therapy he may have resisted the psycho/sociopath's pull. The two were a bad combination and played off each other's weaknessess. The therapists reviewed the boys past behavior as well as analyzed the dynamic between the two young men. I believe this was printed in Slate ezine.
May the Lord have mercy on their souls.
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His girlfriend said that he had already been off meds for two weeks with absolutely no agression or other side effects...
Indigo--at Columbine the killers were vehemently anti-Christian and into Satanism. Infact, they created the first U.S. martyr (though Protestantism doesn't have such labels), the girl who was asked if she is a Christian while a gun was aimed at her head...
Lord have mercy!
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Is this the old live in girlfriend or the supposedly newer one? I'm thinking the older one would be able to vouch for previous relapses. What does the autopsy report reveal as far as medication influences?
Alice, I think they would've killed her regardless because psycho/sociopaths are like that. They had no intention of letting anyone go free once they got their hands on them. Psychopaths make a habit of taunting people simply for the enjoyment of it. They're so dead inside that only extreme behavior does anything for them. Is that a sign of demon possession?
If psycho/sociopaths and severely deranged people are consistently anti-christian, then maybe possession is responsible for at least some of their illness. No one can convince me that Charles Manson, psychopathy's posterboy, is not possessed.
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Demonic possession and obsession is for real.
Unfortunately, a few Catholic Priests do not recognize the signs or are in denial. After I lived in a haunted house, without knowing that it contained tarot cards, I had terrible demonic dreams. I was even bruised. I went to several Catholic priests in Los Angeles who did nothing and did not believe me. I even went to the Catholic Bishop who likewise thought it was only my active imagination.
When I was received into Orthodoxy, the prayers of Chrismation were pronounced, but I still did not experience relief. When I finally told my spiritual father about this (I had suppressed it by then as only nightmares), he read two prayers of exorcism from the Book of Needs over our entire family, and immediately the nightmares vanished for all of us.
The prayers of exorcism at Holy Baptism are very powerful. Why aren't these same prayers read over all new catechumens before their Chrismation? A lot of us bring baggage.
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Demonic possession and obsession is for real.
Unfortunately, a few Catholic Priests do not recognize the signs or are in denial. After I lived in a haunted house, without knowing that it contained tarot cards, I had terrible demonic dreams. I was even bruised. I went to several Catholic priests in Los Angeles who did nothing and did not believe me. I even went to the Catholic Bishop who likewise thought it was only my active imagination.
When I was received into Orthodoxy, the prayers of Chrismation were pronounced, but I still did not experience relief. When I finally told my spiritual father about this (I had suppressed it by then as only nightmares), he read two prayers of exorcism from the Book of Needs over our entire family, and immediately the nightmares vanished for all of us.
The prayers of exorcism at Holy Baptism are very powerful. Why aren't these same prayers read over all new catechumens before their Chrismation? A lot of us bring baggage. The prayers of exorcism were read over my family and I when we were chrismated and I do believe that they had great effect. Certain spiritual struggles were definitely lightened from that point forward and I think it is because we had received new armor from God in order to battle the demons. I also think that the sacrament of healing is a powerful way of dispelling demonic powers and forces. Joe
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The prayers of exorcism were read over me when I was chrismated and my priest read them recently as a lenten homily. Both times they were very powerful; not to be underestimated.
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