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I refuse to blindly stand by the Stars and Stripes (now made by slave labor in China) in the latest pre-emptive strike against whoever it considers an enemy of it's globalist New World Order. [ http] sold in Minnesota must be made in the USA.
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Dear Kahless,First of all,I think what happened to your friend's family is awful.I conemn such atrocities no matter WHO is guilty of them.I just have a few questions for you.I know that there are Orthodox Albanians,supposedly at least 20% of Albania is or was Orthodox.However, to the best of my knowledge,all the Orthodox Albanians live in the south,near the Greek border.As you stated, about 90% of the Kosovo Albanians are Muslim,but I was under the impression that most of the remainder of them were Roman Catholic.I never heard of Orthodox Kosovar Albanians(of course,I can't say there are NONE at all;and the atrocities committed against your friend's family were wrong no what WHAT religion they were).You also said in an earlier post that the Serbs went after anyone with dark skin.Excuse me, but I work with 4 Albanians and only one is dark to the point of looking "Balkan".Of the 4,two are Muslim,one Catholic,and one Orthodox.All are from the south of Albania.Also,I know many Serbs with dark skin.In fact,Serbs,Greeks, and the Orthodox Albanians, are often darker than Albanian or Bosnian Muslims,simply because Turks were more likely to help themselves to Christian women than to those of fellow Muslims.What I'm trying to say is that I don't see how one could spot an Albanian just by the shade of his skin.I do wonder also if Albanian Nationalism is the issue here,why didn't Kosovo vote to join with Albania?Could it be that the relative religious tolerance in Albania wouldn't be to the liking of the Muslim fanatics of Kosovo?
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As for the Chinese Embassy, while it is my understanding that the US was deliberately trying to hit the building, it was because it was based on outdated intelligence that somehow had it listed as being a Serbia government target of some kind. Ah, and there's a big red bridge in San Francisco I'd like to sell to you.
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I love my country, I have always defended her, and I am proud that we have done much good such as liberating Europe in WWII, however, we are meddling way too much where we shouldn't these days, and although I truly hate to say this: I cannot, in this instance, blame the rage against the US embassy in Belgrade.
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Who cares about the history of the land? Who cares about the demographic implications 100 years from now? I live in the present, that is all that is real.
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With respect, you view that region as an American and I can certainly understand your perspective. However, the problem is that in that region, the people have historically tended to be able to compress time in such a way that 1000 years ago is yesterday. Many years ago, some of our weekly magazines carried stories complete with interviews of people in the Balkans and it amazed many Americans that someone could speak of trying to settle a score that had offended a family member 600 or more years ago. The idea of avenging one's family honor runs deep there, just as it does in the Middle East. And this is something that we just have little to compare it to as we try--if we do--to understand that region or any other region of the world. We tend to view honor as something negotiable; avenging honro as something to "get over." We tend to think that there is little or nothing for which we should put our lives on the line or fight for. In this we are the odd men (and women) out in the world and in history.
In America, we tend to think that something six months to a year is old and we think that history is of little importance before our own births. But that isn't the way the rest of the world thinks. We've also got this myth that we are the vanguard of the world, that everyone wants to imitate us, that what we have built here over 200+ years can be easily trnasplanted to other nations, and that we can manipulate the world to get what we want and our vision of the world into place.
That's why we puddle along and are loathed in so many parts of the world.
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Then, with respect, why on Earth did Serbs murder my best friends family who were Orthodox Albanians? And 90% of Albanians in Kosovo are Muslim so I fail to see how the remainder 10% of Albainians can be grouped with the Muslims when they are not Muslim!
Unfortunately, whether someone is Orthodox or not matters little to many there. You've got to be "of my group and of my religion" to fit in. Otherwise you are the enemy whether we share the same religious beliefs or not. Marian had it right in another thread where he stated that Kosovo was a hornets' nest. I guess we'll find out. The Serbs probably did not distinguish: the family was Albanian and part of the group trying to take over their ancestral homeland.
That seems to be another area we just don't seem to get. Our history is that of people who pick up and go where the work is. Taht's what everyone's ancestors did to get here from all prts of the world. We simply don't attach a great deal of significance to home, hearth, land, or ancestors' patrimony. But we're the odd men out in those areas, too.
This may also explain why minority Christians in Moslem lands draw so little sympathy from our people. If you're an Iraqui, you must be Moslem; a Palestinian, you must be Moslem: don't confues the average American with distinctions or detail, they just don't get it.
BOB Dear Bob, I just read your post above...it was truly notable and extraordinary. In Christ, Alice
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and as far as Christians in Muslim lands are concerned, they may not be "Christian" enough for most Americans. they should be in mega churches pastored by an egotist and prance around shaking Bibles over their heads like tambourines to qualify.the old adage of the "ugly American" should be fortified with "ignorant American".the only answer right now seems to evanglize Americans to Eastern Catholic or canonical Orthodox to buil up our numbers and ensuing influence as far as Uncle Sam is concerned.
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Dear Alice,
I'm encouraged by the posters who support the Serbian position with regard to Kosovo. In the wider world, it is depressing to see the lack of a sense of the importance of history and heritage - it is truly said that those who forget the past are condemned to repeat it.
Having considerable first-hand experience of Constantinople, I'm only too well aware of what happens to Christian populations subject to the tender mercies of the Mohammedans.
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oh, I thought everone held hands and sang kumbayah. isn't inter faith understanding so beautiful? why, we all believe in something. let's all share. I can hardly wait until Barak Obama gets to the White House and says "I'm really Muslim". won't America be beautiful. we can all hold hands and sing tra la la la la as we skip through the daisies!isn't that the way Americans see how things happen for Christians in lands under the Muslim scimitar?
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I have to shake my head at those who rattle off supposed atrocities because somebody that they knew told them and then expect US foreign policy to right it. I could post until I was blue in the face atrocities committed against Serbians that I know and it would be just as futile to this discussion. War is not pretty and horrible things occur by both sides, it really comes down to this for me. In this situation in Kosovo I am going to side with those who believe that Jesus Christ is the risen Son of God and part of the Holy Trinity and everything else that the Nicene Creed speaks of. And I am not going to side with those who would have me on a prayer rug and my wife in a burqa. It's really that simple. Hopefully no one here will ever have to be put in the situation of submitting or following Christ, but don't think for one moment that what happens in Kosovo won't impact that from ever happening.
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And don't forget this administration appointed a Moslem as it's ambassador to the UN. Zilmay Khalilzad is also mentioned as a leading candidate to become the United States' Secretary of State if the Republicans win in November.
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Lawrence, please let's stop with the 'this administration and that administration' stuff...please remember that all this started under a different administration...Every administration does good and every adminstration does bad. I am so tired of polarizing politics in this country.
Let's just say that it doesn't matter what administration is in office--many of our foreign policies are ill thought out in general.
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The rage against the USA embassy in Belgrad and setting fire are very wrong and the Serbian government must answer to this turmoil by defending the embassy, no doubt. Also pay for any reconstruction.
The USA troops liberated a part of Europe. I remember that Polish troops fought with much courage. However, my country, Poland, Czechoslovakia etc were sacrificed at a table between the powers of that time. Here it is not necessary about the USA. But the powers of anytime will make profitable deals over the humble nations.
China provides weapons to Khartoum, where is the strong voice of the USA? Any debate?
I never lived in the USA, but I cherish that country. I would like to see a powerful American nation, with Christian fundamentals, a spring of welfare and political equilibrium for the world. But, slowly, in those lands humanism(s), political correctness, rage against life and family, will weaken the soul of America and this will fail. However, it will be a different land. A pagan one.
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...why on Earth did Serbs murder my best friends family who were Orthodox Albanians? To to dismiss the record of history of hundreds of years on the tragic personal experience of one family does not show sound judgement. Do we condemn all Germans because of Hitler, all Russians because of Stalin or all Italians because of Al Capone? Kosovo is an artificial creation of territory stolen from Serbia...and I have no ethnic or personal connection to the area.
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Now if only our government would apologize to the Native Americans for attempting genocide and stealing their land, and to us Spanish Americans for conspiring to steal our land in the Southwest that was guaranteed protection under the Treay of Guadalupe-Hidalgo...
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