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#284705 03/30/08 05:43 PM
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There is a very good article on Archbishop Zogby and Ecclesiology in the new Sophia Magazine. Just an FYI if anyone wants to hear some curent Melkite thoughts on it.

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Is there a link?

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Since Sophia has waived any requirements for reprint or citations, I hope to put it up here on byzcath.

It is an excellent article. Infact, several fellow parishners have mentioned how good Sophia is getting! I agree!

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I also enjoyed the article very much, and I agree with LakaYaRab's fellow parishioners that Sophia is getting quite good.

At any rate, I enjoyed the article so much, and I found it to be such a refreshing synthesis of Sayedna Zoghby's ideas and approach when compared to most of the characterizations you'll find on the web, that if I can't find it online then I was just going to re-type it up myself ASAP, assuming of course that Sophia would allow that.

I think Sayedna Zoghby's views, as presented in the article with citations, are far less polemic and controversial than they are often presented to be, and also far less one-sided; he said much about what is needed on the Eastern Orthodox side, making it clear that a reunion would not at all be a total capitulation of one group to another. It's also handy because it's published by the Eparchy of Newton, so it carries a little more validity as an evaluation and opinion of Sayedna Zoghby's work than much of what we could write online (which, of course, isn't to say that it's the authoritative Melkite understanding of this complex Bishop's views).

Hopefully I can get it typed up as early as tomorrow evening after work. smile

Peace and God bless!

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Brother Ghosty,

Excellent post!
Some one will get the article up sometime soon, I am sure!

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Does anyone know if the article has been put up online yet? I just found my copy of Sophia and I'm willing to type it up if it's not already available. smile

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I, for one, do not get Sophia but would love to read the article.

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I would love to read this article. Please post it if you can!

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Well, I haven't found it online yet, so God-willing I can type it up this evening after work. smile

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Alright, I typed it up as best I could. Any typos are likely mine and not from the original article. Some formatting discrepencies popped up in transfering it from Word format to the post, but I've done my best to address them. I should also point out that I've not included the footnotes, which are mostly just references to the locations where the quotations in the numbered points can be found. The quotations are almost all from the two works cited at the beginning of the article.

The article is titled "Archbishop Elias Zoghby's Vision of Christian Unity", by Father James K. Graham.

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The works of the recently-reposed Archbishop Elias Zoghby, former Patriarchal Vicar in Egupt and Sudan, and retired Metropolitan of Baalbek, especially the essays collected in A Voice from the Byzantine East and Tous Schismatiques, provide a vision of Melkite ecclesiology solidly based in the Eastern Tradition, representative of the thinking of the Melkite Fathers of Vatican II, and consistent with contemporary Orthodox ecclesiological thought.

Archbishop Elias bases his ecclesiology in the first millennium of undivided, but diverse, Christianity. During that period, he says, the Churches founded by the Apostles grew and evangelized the known world, developing liturgically, theologically, and ecclesiologically according to the particular needs of each geographical location and also according to their unique historical-cultural-political situations. A basic agreement on the essential content of the Christian faith, derived from the Scriptures and the teaching of Jesus and the disciples and their successors, and articulated for the universal Church at the seven Ecumenical Councils, united all Christians, despite their wide geographic dispersal and their many divergent local practices.

The Great Schism of 1054 between Rome and Constantinople came as the culmination of intensifying conflict between the two Churches, two cultures, and two political systems. The Councils of Lyons (1274) and of Florence (1439) aimed at reuniting the separated Churches, and despite the increasingly institutionalized condition of schism, both councils bear witness to a consciousness of some kind of continuing communion, for the bishops of both East and West convened and voted. This sense of communion without administrative uniformity, at least tolerant of each other�s differences, but still agreeing on the essentials of the Christian faith, forms the foundation of Archbishop Elias� proposal for reunion of the Catholic and Orthodox Churches in our time.

Even in Tous Schismatiques, which advances his notorious plan for immediate intercommunion between the Greek Orthodox Church of Antioch and its separated sister the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, Archbishop Elias does not provide more than an outline of how the Catholic and Orthodox Churches should realize their reunion. Let us sketch that outline.

1) �The rapprochement between the Catholic and Orthodox Churches requires a new formulation of the doctrine of Roman primacy. This formulation must be grounded in the common tradition of the first thousand years of Christianity.

2) �Only the union of Latins and Orthodox on the level of equality can bring together the apostolic tradition in its fullness and make Catholic unity complete� [Orthodoxy] must, therefore, share equally in the government of the reunited Church, just as must the Latin Church, under the primacy of Peter, of course�.

3) The �East-West Christian dialogue should be accompanied by an even greater effort at the decentralization that was begun at the Second Vatican Council, and in the Orthodox Churches it should accompany an effort of extremely qualified centralization around Peter�s successor and in the framework of traditional collegiality.�

4) �All of the Churches ought to be governed by their own bishops; Eastern Christians have never conceived of Church government in any other way� The pope and his colleagues must not be entrusted habitually and normally with the government of all the Churches.�

5) The Pope cannot �exercise, normally and habitually, in the Eastern Patriarchates, the role he exercises in the Latin Church in his capacity as Patriarch of the West.�

6) �In recalling, with theologians and ecumenicists, that the faith is essentially the same in the Roman Church and in Orthodoxy, we understand that doctrine elaborated after the schism by one of the two unilaterally, that is, in the absence of the other, cannot be part of what is essential in this faith.�

7) Thus, doctrine and discipline defined at the General Councils of the West after the Schism oblige only the Latin Church, and definitions made at Orthodox synods after the Schism oblige only the Orthodox Church.

8) �It is our understanding of Church history and Tradition that the Church is to be governed by the bishops who are in communion with the Pope, but not exclusively by the Pope to the exclusion of the Episcopate.�

9) There can be no practical progress toward resolution of the problem of primacy and reconciliation of the Churches �as long as the actual government of the Catholic Church has not been wholly and uncompromisingly transferred from the hands of this minority [the Roman Curia] to those of the pastoral Episcopate, the only agent truly responsible for the Church of Jesus Christ.�

10) In ruling his diocese of Rome and the dioceses of Italy whose metropolitan he is, the Pope �ought to be assisted by his local clergy.�

11) �The responsibilities of ruling the Latin patriarchate of the West ought to be assumed by the Latin episcopate or their delegates near the Holy Roman See, assembled in Patriarchal Synod around the pope in the exercise of his powers as Patriarch of the West�

12) �Where the whole Church is concerned, the responsibility for its administration ought to fall upon the universal Catholic episcopate (or the representatives commissioned by them) to coordinate, under the world-wide primacy of the Pope, the life and activities of the entire Church.�

13) In order to make reunion with Orthodoxy possible, as well as to adapt to the free and democratic conditions of the modern world, the Roman Church must return to the synodal type of Church government that even it lived under the first Christian millennium. This means national or local church �government by genuine Bishops� Conferences with real power,� not merely consultative or advisory bodies.

14) Episcopal authority must be reaffirmed and restored because it comes directly from Jesus Christ Himself, who founded the Apostolic College in accord with divine will. �Christ gave the �presidency� of the Apostolic College to Peter only after having entrusted all the Apostles with a clear-cut, well-defined mission. The leader of the Apostles was designated, then, to be head of a College which had already been constituted, a College already enjoying authentic and inalienable powers.� The Pope is the first bishop in the Church because he succeeds Peter, who was a �member of this College when he received the mission of strengthening his brethren.�

15) The rights and privileges of the Patriarchs must be recognized, respected, and revitalized, for �the Patriarchate is the only genuine guardian of each Church�s patrimony and one of the only checks on the spread of heterodoxy.� In the Christian East, the Patriarchs are the agents of the episcopate, members of it and chosen by it. Archbishop Elias quotes Archbishop Peter Medawar as saying that the patriarch is �the most eminent guardian of the deposit of the faith,� having �major responsibility for its true and integral diffusion� He is the official spokesman of his Church and of its peoples in all circumstances� In conformity with the ancient law, the patriarchs have the right and even the obligation to carry the burden of governing the Universal Church together with the Holy Father and to do so in a more outstanding and formal manner than other bishops.�

16) The reinterpretation of the primacy of the Bishop of Rome should be based on the Eastern understanding of his position as primus inter pares, which is sacramental rather than juridicial. That is, the pope is first among equals because he, the patriarchs, and all the bishops are equal by virtue of sharing the fullness of priesthood, which is episcopacy. This understanding does not exclude the possibility that the pope, like the patriarchs, may have certain powers that other bishops do not have, but these powers come from the rank of his see among the dioceses of Christendom, not from his personal succession to Peter, and they originate in canonical custom and legislation, not in divine institution or essential doctrine of the faith.

17) Referring to the Third Canon of the Second Ecumenical Council, Archbishop Elias writes that �if the role of the Church of New Rome entails a veritable responsibility, witness, and diakonia in the service of the unity of Orthodoxy, one cannot be dealing simply with primacy of honor or precedence when one speaks of the Bishop of Rome, recognized by Orthodoxy as the first among equals.

18)In the reunited Church, the primacy of the Bishop of Rome, so extensively elaborated by the Latin Church, would complement local autonomous Episcopal collegiality, so zealously safeguarded by the orthodox Churches. Excessive decentralization, the strength that has considerably weakened the Orthodox, would counteract excessive centralization, the weakness that has inordinately strengthened Rome.�

19)�Thus we would say that these rights reserved to the Bishop of Rome must be defined by mutual agreement of the Roman and Orthodox Churches. Since this matter must not in any way become a part of the essential deposit of faith required for canonical communion, it must be settled by the reunited Churches.� This statement, of course, reflects Archbishop Elias� conviction that the shared faith of the first millennium suffices for restoration of communion.

20) In fact, he says, �it is easier to agree on what concerns God than on what concerns men, knowing churchmen and their powers and privileges� Reaching accord on doctrine will be easy once we reach accord on the division of powers.�

21) In matters of doctrine, the shared faith of the first millennium suffices; everything else is different non-essential formulations and elaborations of the same essential truths. And, since doctrinal formulations can never full express the truth of what we believe, much less the truth of the Mystery of God, it is wiser to avoid dogmatic definitions as far as possible. �If one is obliged to do so---which should be very infrequently after the stabilization of the depositum fidei--- one should do so with Christian modesty, and without a priori exclision of other formulations that could be equally legitimate and maybe even more adequate� Revealed truth can be formulated in different ways and in different contexts. Factors such as cultural, historical, and other situations can influence these formulations without changing the Truth, which always remains the same.�

22) Just as differences in doctrinal expression need not stand in the way of communion, so also differences in ecclesiology can be accommodated. �Until the 11th century, Rome and Orthodoxy each had its unique ecclesiology, at least germinally, and unity was not broken, ne can conceive of these two difference ecclesiologies in the Church without questioning the Faith and without altering communion.�

23) We can even regard these differences as necessary for the wholeness of the Church, because �the Catholic Church, that is the Universal Church, can only consist of the Roman Church and the Orthodox Church reunited, since neither of them can claim to possess the whole Christian patrimony, spiritual, ascetical, liturgical, patristic, or doctrinal.� The wholeness of the Church is legitimate diversity in essential unity.

24) Archbishop Elias conceives of Church unity in terms of East and West, and favors preservation and development of the legitimate diversity of worship forms, theological expression, and church governance suited to peoples and countries. Jesus Christ is incarnated in each race, and each race shows forth in its own way the image and likeness of God. Thus, its expression of Christianity must be locally developed, not imported. In this context, he seems to regard the re-entrance into Catholic communion by the churches of the Reformation and their descendants as a matter for the Western Church to deal with. However, as expressions of legitimate diversity they figure in his larger vision of Christian unity: �no Church or group of believers, however humble it may be, should be compelled to accept union by assimilation or disappearance� Indeed, we envision the true unity of the distant future to include several different rites in which almost everyone can find a home: an Anglican Catholic rite, a Presbyterian Catholic rite, perhaps even a Jewish Catholic rite, and many, many more; with some of them containing even smaller subdivisions.�

25) Therefore, achieving the reunion of the Christian Church requires dedicated, humble, sacrificial effort on the part of all Christians, who should feel the pain of separation and who suffer from, as well as sometimes contribute to, its sinfulness. However, the Church of Rome, since it is the head of the Churches, bears special responsibility for healing schism and restoring unity. This is its God-given mandate; this is the proper exercise of its primacy. Fulfilling this role will require major changes in Roman self-understanding, a process begun at Vatican II, accompanied by fundamental changes in Roman dealings with other Christians, for �every attempt at unity centered in a pyramidal Church, built around an absolute juridical authority, and founded on submission to the Pope, instead of on co-responsibility with the older brother who is in Rome would be doomed to failure.�

However we may respond to this vision of Church unity --- and as an ideal it has great appeal --- our task here is to discover in it resources for fulfilling the ecumenical vocation of the Melkite Greek Catholic Church, if we can. Let us begin, as we must, by flatly calling it a fantasy that ignores most of the secular and ecclesiastical history of the Christian age. Yes, the Churches should re-unite on the basis of the common faith of the first millennium, should accept legitimate diversity in worship and doctrine and discipline, and should govern themselves synodally under the benign primacy of the Bishop of Rome, first among equals, presiding in the service of charity. But at this time, and for the foreseeable future, such reunion seems at best highly improbable.

Nationalism, pluralism, colonialism, imperialism, and dogmatization of local customs and theological opinions contribute to the unlikelihood of reunion on these terms, as do centuries of carefully nurtured misunderstandings and even enmities. If the Churches truly hope one day to achieve reunion, they must strive diligently to resikve these misunderstandings and to heal these enmities, not simply at the level of international theological dialogue, not even at the level of the hierarchy or of clerical formation, but at every level of church life.

Agreement on theology bye theologians has no meaning until the parishioners in church on Sunday can affirm it and apply it in their daily dealings with other Christians. As long as Catholics define themselves essentially as being under the Pope,� and as long as Orthodox define themselves essentially as not being �under the Pope,� both sides ignorant not only of others� faith but of their own, theological dialogue will remain so much wasted breath and reunion will remain a beautiful fantasy.

What, then, can Melkites learn from Archbishop Elias� vision? They can, and should, recognize its basic validity � it expresses our authentic understanding of the Church. It should be taught and nurtured in church schools, in homilies, in adult education classes, in regional and national clergy-laity conventions, in deacon training programs, in seminary curricula, in continuing education of clergy, in the Patriarchal Synod. It should become intimately and integrally part of the meaning of �Melkite�.

As this happens, we must also share our conviction that this vision authentically points the way to human achievement of God�s will that His people should be one with Him. Such sharing will involve more than words � though words, written in church bulletins, pastoral letters, Episcopal statements, ecumenical documents, educational materials, popular magazines, and scholarly journals, will carry great weight. Such sharing will involve acting according to our belief � individuals, families, parishes, dioceses, the entire patriarchate must seek cooperation with fellow Christians, repudiate inauthentic forms of worship and teaching and governance, and do whatever expresses our authentic vision: ordain married men, expunge latinizations, elect our own bishops, restore true monasticism, and adapt our heritage of Holy Tradition to the demands of the life in the secular, pluralistic, technological, God-hungry world of the 21st century.

Often people contribute to making themselves invalids. They completely accept limitations or accidents, even further handicapping themselves by not daring to try actions that will challenge them but will not defeat them. Such people make themselves victims. They call themselves realistic. In effect, they deny God�s will and power. They defy God to heal them, without making any attempt to cooperate in their own healing.

Other people make every effort to overcome their handicaps or limitations. They constantly strive to reach farther or to walk longer or to stand longer by themselves, Such people make themselves victors. Others call them idealistic, but they too call themselves realistic. Consciously or not, they acknowledge God�s healing power and His willingness to cooperate with us when we try to cooperate with Him. Melkites (and, indeed, all Christians) must stop acting like invalids, victims of circumstances and dependent on what others do to or for us. We cannon be like the paralytic, lying by the pool for 38 years waiting for someone to put him in the water. We must be like Zacchaeus, willing to climb up a tree - perhaps even to go out on a limb � to overcome our limitations. The Lord will recognize us, reward our efforts, and bring salvation to our house.

I have some thoughts on the article, and on a few particular points specifically, but I'll wait for others to read it and give their thoughts before putting forth my own.

Peace and God bless!

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Thank you Ghosty for typing the article up! laugh

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Hmm, why didn't this occur to me before?

Why is it "Archbishop Zogby" rather than "Metropolitan Zogby" in an eastern church publication?

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13) In order to make reunion with Orthodoxy possible, as well as to adapt to the free and democratic conditions of the modern world, the Roman Church must return to the synodal type of Church government that even it lived under the first Christian millennium. This means national or local church �government by genuine Bishops� Conferences with real power,� not merely consultative or advisory bodies.

Theoretically, point #13 is in conformity with the Eastern mindset. Realistically, can you imagine what would happen if the Council of Bishops of the United States, or Holland, or France, etc were free to make changes by majority opinion? I don't think the "traditional" Roman Catholics would be very happy about this.

This shows just how important are mutual talks accompanied by caution (and universal prayer).

Fr. Deacon Paul

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Originally Posted by dochawk
Hmm, why didn't this occur to me before?

Why is it "Archbishop Zogby" rather than "Metropolitan Zogby" in an eastern church publication?

I've always seen Archbishop used by the Melkite Church, at least in English. I've never seen the term Metropolitan used when referring to a Melkite Bishop, though I'm sure it's been done; I've always seen it used more by the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Churches. *shrug*

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Originally Posted by dochawk
Hmm, why didn't this occur to me before?

Why is it "Archbishop Zogby" rather than "Metropolitan Zogby" in an eastern church publication?

I've always seen Archbishop used by the Melkite Church, at least in English. I've never seen the term Metropolitan used when referring to a Melkite Bishop, though I'm sure it's been done; I've always seen it used more by the Ruthenian and Ukrainian Churches. *shrug*

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Shlomo,

The reason is that his eparchy is not the metropolita. Under the Melkite Church they have no metropolita.

Poosh BaShlomo,
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