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Mary,

Of course, one may also find some insight as well into Metropolitan John Zizoulas's description of all those who are ordained as "ecclesial persons".

Gordo

Since the Catholic Church fully recognizes the sacramental forms used by the various Eastern liturgical traditions, and these forms are not worded as that paragraph quotes "I baptize . . . I absolve . . . " etc. It would appear that the paragraph is not of ecumenical significance. This is the more true in that I have nowhere encountered such forms as "I consecrate . . ." or "I communicate thee . . . " in relation to the Eucharist.

Moreover, a paragraph in the catechism is of less importance than a dogmatic statement of a general council.

Fr. Serge

Hi Gordo,

I hope your trip was fruitful.
May I add my prayers and felicitations to Fr. Serge for his 40th anniversary of ordination!

Michael

I was being rushed out the door by my kiddos and so did not have the opportunity to complete my thought:

Insofar as the Pope as Bishop of Rome, Patriarch of the Latin West and Successor of St. Peter is an ecclesial person the charism of infallibility is a personal charism. Insofar as he is simply an individual human person, it is not a personal charism, say as one might regard a personal possession. All charisms are ultimately for the building up of the Body of Christ.

I also think about Archbishop Joseph's point of in The Face of God that the Pope's authority is personal and does not reside within the various congregations, save those decisions which receive his direct approbation. There does have to be some personal dimension to the full range of charisms granted to his or any other bishop's office.

God bless,

Gordo

PS: Michael, it was a great trip!

Gordo,

Ouch. Don't you hate it when that happens!

Apparently, no longer. I think he renounced this title last year. I didn't understand the true import of it from the news reports. I wonder if anyone on the Forums could explain the rationale?

Removal of 'Patriarch of the West' [catholicnews.com]

I am unacquainted with Archbishop Joseph. Who is he, and where is his See? This view seems uncontroversial to me, but perhaps that is because his view was already incorporated into theology by the time I studied it?

Unless one's name is Sullivan, this is a helpful clarification from Archbishop Tarcisio Bertone.

http://www.cin.org/vatcong/md&pd.html

In my estimation the 20th century, in terms of Catholic and Orthodox Catholic theology, was the Century of the Person.

I expect that the 21st century will be examining the production of that century in light of Communion.

For my part, it is fervently to be hoped that the good work continues.

Mary

Here is another useful explanatory text in the discussion of infallibility and teaching authority exerised through the Church.

http://www.ignatiusinsight.com/features2006/wmay_authority_nov06.asp

I am mildly curious as what was meant by "Unless one's name is Sullivan"?

Your servant in Christ,
Deacon Michael (Husvar) Sullivan