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#28693 05/25/04 02:13 AM
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Yes they are schismatic but I do have so much sympathy for them.

In Christ
Nektarios

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Dearest Nektarios,

First I want to say that I didn't realize that you are about the same age as my daughter. I know how confusing and frightening the teenage years can be. I congratulate you, that as a teenager, you have decided to take Christianity seriously. That is ALOT more than most teenagers in our society today. May God bless you. smile

I noticed that you said that you do not want to be called by your birth name. (Although Daniel is a perfectly Christian name, and was given to you in love)...In any case, that is your perogative ofcourse, and you have taken the name of a great saint of modern times in Orthodoxy.

St. Nektarios is someone I know a great deal about, as I spent three years translating and editing the MOST comprehensive book about his life: 'St. Nektarios, A Saint for our Times', by Sotos Hondropoulos (of blessed memory).

When we take the names of holy people, especially at an age of reason and choice as you are, (for instance: I did not choose my patron, my godparents did it for me as an infant), we must do our best to emulate that holy saint.

St. Nektarios was a very humble, quiet and LOVING person. He never spoke a cross word to anyone, even when he was mistreated, slandered, and persecuted. St. Nektarios was also a very learned man, being the Dean of the Rizarios Theological School in Athens. Such was his piety, that when incidents occured where students were not getting along with each other and complaining about misdeeds perpetrated on each other, rather than punish them, he punished himself by refusing to eat until they made up....the students, ofcourse, could not believe this approach, and such was their respect and love for him doing this, that they, ofcourse made up and lived together in love.

Getting back to how learned the saint was, he had discourse in French with Roman Catholic theologians. He wrote to them in their language, respectfully and with great love what he thought their errors were, and discussed the differences between Orthodoxy and Catholicism. He bore no anomosity towards his seperated brethren, but rather wished for an eventual reunion, (and remember, this was a time before the anathemas were lifted) of Christ's church. He never wrote to them with any sense of triumphalism, knowing that the humility of seeing 'the other' as holier and as an image of God in which he/her is created, is the key to living a Christian life.

Saint Nektarios is a very miraculous saint today. He was canonized because of the great many miracles attributed to him, relatively soon after his death...(remember, sometimes these things can take a century or more). He has worked a few miracles, infact, for my family throughout my life. His miracles are so widespread across continents, that he is becoming known even outside the Orthodox community. He has even worked miracles for Roman Catholics, and presently, many are praying to him for little Nicholas Kristoff (an Evangelical boy) who was on the brink of death from e-coli. The boy is miraculously getting better from the prayer of various ethnic Orthodox, Evangelical, and Catholics for him, from across the nation. So, it seems that perhaps, there is something to the statement, 'there is no schism in heaven'.

God is pure love, a love we CANNOT comprehend, and his saints who are with him in that love cannot but work miracles and intercede for all Christians of true faith in the ONE and ONLY TRUTH, which is Jesus Christ, our Lord and our Saviour.

Please, dear young man, think about these things...you have SO much to offer the world, and have been chosen by God to follow Him at a much younger age than others...channel your Orthodoxy into something loving and embrace Orthodoxy as a beautiful path to your salvation, rather than embracing it as a means to refute and hate where you came from and where others are.

TO do such a thing, (and I am not saying that you are necessarily doing this, but there are others who do) makes MY faith, the beautiful tradition shared by St. Nektarios and countless other saints, look like a mind controlling, hate mongering, cult. THAT is not what I want non-Orthodox to see my faith as. Yes, we have doctrinal and sacramental truths which some of our Protestant brethren may not have, but if we sweep love and tolerance under the rug, then they will possess more of the real truth (LOVE) than us, and there will be no reason for them to look at Orthodoxy!

Look at the gesture of Orthodox across the nation, (including my priest praying for him at Proskomide) for little Nicholas Kristoff, and rejoice, for THAT is the Orthodoxy which you have embraced.

With much love,
and may God bless your journey with enlightenment and good role models,
Alice

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Yes they are schismatic but I do have so much sympathy for them.

In Christ
Nektarios
Responding to this and other posts in this thread:

Metropolitan Cyprian is not a member of the Matthewite sect, which received its ordinations from Bp Matthew's single-handed and thus invalid consecrations.

Metropolitan Cyprian's Synod derives its orders from and is in full communion with ROCOR. It is hard to call it schismatic when it is in full communion with ROCOR which is a fully-valid and canonical Church.

anastasios

#28696 05/25/04 04:02 PM
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Dearest "Nektarios,"

Do you remember this guy?

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I'm being Chrismated on Holy Saturday, and my mom Through the Intercession of the Holy + Theotokos is being Baptized and Christmated in the Byzantine Ruthenian Catholic Church! Im So happy about that. I was praying to the Theotokos for her to be baptized in the Eastern Rites.
In Actuallity it was really not that hard to become a Byzantine Catholic. I just had to go to
ECF, Divine Liturgy, and talk with the OFM Byzantine Brothers and the Priest offten about it and now im being Chirstmated on Holy Satruday. Its Great.

From: Daniel
Though The Theotokos
I really miss Daniel. I would love to have him back. frown frown frown

Anthony

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Dearest Anthony,

Is Nektarios one of those who "got away?"

If so, I've been there and share your sadness!

I liked the old Daniel so much, I thought I'd get this Forum to canonize him right away . . .

But I'm sure he's nice enough still!

Alex

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Alex,

I have to admit that I'm really sad about what has happened to Daniel. He was such a wonderful joy to communicate with, and I always looked forward to his emails.

Now he doesn't even consider me to be a "true Christian," but a misguided heretic. It's hard to remain friends with someone who thinks of you in such a way.

If he had just become Orthodox, I wouldn't feel this way. But the fact that has developed such a negative attitude towards us, whom he routinely calls "heretics" and "uniates" on another board, is too much for me to take.

Again, I really, really miss the old Daniel. I am praying for his return.

Anthony

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Brothers and sisters:

It seems that we may have strayed from the original posting about reform in Orthodoxy.

Is it not true that Holy Orthodoxy preaches "metanoia" for all her members: constant conversion of life as a lifetime work with the Grace of God?

So often it is easy to say that we need to reform the structure (Church) when the truth is that we each need to reform our own interior dispositions before going after the external structure that has been given to us to reform our own interior. So many call for changes in the Church when the real need is for interior conversion of heart. The Holy Spirit has been given to the Church and the Lord Himself has promised to be with His Church to the end of the age. So it seems to me that the task for me is to begin to use the treasury of the Church to reform myself. Then if the Lord sees fit to use me in a great way to help purify some aspect of His Church, I will be ready.

Aside from this task, I go back to St. Paul and take his advice about avoiding those who want ot argue over words. Unfortunately, they are bitter and have the tendency to make those around them as bitter as they are through unending controversy.

The final question has to be when engaging someone about the Faith, does this person have something that I want? In other words, does his/her love, joy, peace, etc. so pull me toward him and through him to Christ that I want more? Or not?

In Christ,

BOB

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Dear Alice, That was a very beautiful post; let's pray that it touches the lad's heart. Let's hope this is just youthful zeal and not embryonic fanaticism; Lord knows I'd be embarrassed now by some of the opinions I held as a youth!
peace to all,
that OTHER Daniel

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Alice:

I have to agree with you completely on your last post. Beautifully put!!! wink

I believe that each of us must be a magnet, like St. Nektarios. We must draw others to Christ. We cannot afford to repel them because the Lord has warned us about damaging the faith of one of His little ones.

In Christ,

BOB

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[b]An article written by an advisor to Bishops of the UAOC...
Can anyone say with whom this "Sobornopravna" group out of Cleveland is in communion? [/b]
Archbishop Michael Champion of Cleveland was a former seminarian of Ss. Cyril and Methodius.

I believe his picture, as well as Stephan's, can also be found at:

https://www.byzcath.org/ssb/otpust2003/photos/orig/DSC00329.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong.

Their website at: http://www.uaoc.org/ Maybe it can answer your question regarding communion?

Joe

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[b]An article written by an advisor to Bishops of the UAOC...
Can anyone say with whom this "Sobornopravna" group out of Cleveland is in communion? [/b]
Archbishop Michael Champion of Cleveland was a former seminarian of Ss. Cyril and Methodius.

I believe his picture, as well as Stephan's, can also be found at:

https://www.byzcath.org/ssb/otpust2003/photos/orig/DSC00329.jpg

Correct me if I am wrong.

Their website at: http://www.uaoc.org/ Maybe it can answer your question regarding communion?

Joe [/b]
It might be useful to keep in mind that this church is not the same as the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church in Ukraine as stated here [uaoc.org]
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At the present time, our church, the Ukrainian Autocephalous Orthodox Church of North & South America - Sobornopravna, does not have an eparchial establishment within the territory of Ukraine itself.

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Tony,

Did I fail to answer your question about the group in Cleveland ?

Joe

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Dear: Anthony,

I did just become Orthodox, I accepted the same Orthodoxy that Saint Nektarios did. I am sorry if accepting traditional and patristic Orthodoxy, has made me seem like a "Ultra Orthodox Fundementalist" but thats what traditional Orthodoxy is and I will not except any less. Thank you for your concern but this is what I am and believe in.

Orthodoxia E Thanatos!

In Christ
Nektarios

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anastasios

I also personally recognize the Cyrpian Synod. I recognize any church that my patriarchate and ROCOR do.

In Christ
Nektarios

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