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Simple Sinner,
I myself have been in a Roman Catholic parish where I (without thinking) crossed my arms and wound up having to tell a deacon (who was distributing Communion) that I was indeed a Catholic. In the West, it is sometimes the custom to cross the arms when approaching for communion to advise the minister that you wish a blessing not communion. [BTW This is an abrogated (not approved) practice] At the official level I am sure that every Roman Catholic bishop knows about Eastern Catholics and deals with us appropriately. As far as Western bishops knowing at the official level about Eastern churches, for many years, before the Eastern eparchies were established in the USA, the Eastern parishes were under administration of the Western bishops]
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I have mentioned to a few priests that it would be nice to have a EC Liturgy celebrated once in a while up here and got those rolling eye's...
The only positive tones came from the Benedictine Abbey in Valyermo...
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Jakub I get the same reaction here - the rolling eyes I mean. It's a pity - many would be enthralled by the Liturgy. Mind you the RC Archdiocese has a Latin Mass every week now - and the attendance is not good - one reason is that though the Priests have been asked to mention it and put up Notices - they haven't  and sone have even said that they will not
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To claim that the Antiochian Orthodox Church is practically willing to enter into communion with the Roman Catholic Church is simply not true. Where did you get this? Shawn, I'd have to agree with John on this. Despite excellent relations between my Church and our Antiochean Orthodox brethren in both the Old Country and the diaspora, there is nothing to suggest a movement such as you suggest to be imminent. Many years, Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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To claim that the Antiochian Orthodox Church is practically willing to enter into communion with the Roman Catholic Church is simply not true. Where did you get this? Shawn, I'd have to agree with John on this. Despite excellent relations between my Church and our Antiochean Orthodox brethren in both the Old Country and the diaspora, there is nothing to suggest a movement such as you suggest to be imminent. Many years, Neil Shlomo Neil, What I actually stated was <y>ou have the situation where the Antiochene Orthodox Church is almost at the point of Communion with the Catholic Church to the Greek Orthodox Church in Greece where parts of it is willing to break Communion with Orthodoxy if that means joint Communion with Catholicism. I based my reasoning on a number of articles and talks that I have read and attended. I futher base in on the words of Greek Orthodox Metropolitan of Bublos and Batroun, George Khodr, who stated I consider this profession Kyr Elias Zoghby to fulfill the necessary and sufficient conditions to re-establish the unity of the Orthodox Churches with Rome. and also the fact that the Melkites and the Antiochene Orthodox have built and plan to build Churches where they share the alter, such as Ss. Peter & Paul in Doummar, Syria. I hope this has clarified your understanding of what I ment. Poosh BaShlomo, Yuhannon
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Shawn,
I just replied to the thread regarding the church in Dummar before seeing this. As I said there, the shared usage is one of necessity/convenience.
My understanding of your remarks is as it was - and I still consider them to represent a significant overstatement in favor of a movement that appears to have no such impetus or momentum as your comments suggest. Further, were such an idea to be advanced presently by any hierarch in the Antiochian Church, I rather suspect that the backlash would be very considerable.
That is not to say that there are not instances in which pastoral care is provided across ecclesial lines - true of the Melkites, Antiochians, and Syriacs - both Catholic and Orthodox - in the Middle East in places where there are not clergy of each Church available in all areas. But, such is part of a relatively long-standing but informal aggreement among the hierarchs and doesn't suggest to me that there is any movement afoot for union.
Sayednah George's words aside, the Holy Synod of the Antiochian Church was certainly not inclined to offer any such endorsement of Sayednah Elias' initiative. And the cautionary recent statement by the Pope to His Beatitude Gregorios III was not exactly encouraging toward those who would be the other side of the same equation.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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