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What vestment color is prescribed for the SS. Peter and Paul Pust in the Ruthenian Recension???

Ung

Is it suppose to be Green because it is in the Pentecost Season?

Ung

Rust color is proper, but most wear gold.

Alexandr

Oleksa,

In which recension?

Ung

In the Nikonian and Ochridian recensions. I see no reason why the Ruthenian recension would be different. Even amongst the Russians, though, rust colored vestments are a rarity, so most wear gold for a feast of an Apostle.

Alexandr

Oleksa,

Not for the feastday itself, but for the 4 week Fast period. What color should be worn in the South-West-Rus' Recension of the Constantinopolitan Particular Church Tradition?

Ung

I really am not understanding so much of the vocabulary in this discussion.
1) What is the South-West Rus' Recension? Recension usually refers to a text not to liturgical traditions like vestments.

2) What is South-west Rus'? Do you mean Galicia and Zakarpatia both now in Ukraine and the areas of Zakarpatia now in Slovakia?
But not including the Crimea which is now in southern Ukraine.

3) Is the term "particular church" applied to jurisdictions of the Orthodox Church? I am asking because I have seen this term used in English to apply to Eastern Catholic churches but not to Orthodox churches. Please enlighten me.

4) The topic heading: Vestment color for SS. Peter & Paul Pust.
Is "pust" the same as the Ukrainian word "vidpust" which means pilgrimage as in the "Pochaiv Vidpust"? Vidpust can also mean a church holiday.

I am not sure if you are asking about the color of vestments for the actual feastday of SS. Peter and Paul or for the vestment colors for the Lenten period or fast of SS. Peter and Paul.

The Apostle's Fast (Post,Pust,),

Ung

Since the Feast of SS Peter & Paul is the anniversary of when the mandate to start the Ruined Divine Liturgy took affect I think the only appropriate color is black.

It's been my understanding that only two types of "colors" are designated: bright and red (sometimes a burgundy red, or a traditional substitute, see below). In Fr. David's typicon bight vestments are (assumed ?) worn unless red is specified. Bright means white, gold, silver, blue, green. The choice of bright color is only according to custom: green for Pentecost; blue for Marian; etc.

So in the Petras Typicon, for June 29, no color is mentioned: bright.

For SEP 14, however, there is: "Day of Strict Fast. Red vestments are worn today, and for the whole postfestive period, including Sunday."

And for instance, for the Third Sunday of the Great Fast (Holy Cross): "Red vestments are worn for all services of this Sunday."

Also, the "Liturgical Directives" for Great Fast that are usually published in, e.g. ECL:

"Vestment Color
Color of vestments worn on Sundays during the Great Fast is to be bright or white; red or an appropriate Lenten color is to be worn only on the 3rd Sunday of the Great Fast (the Sunday of the Veneration of the Holy Cross and on weekdays). This rule applies to Liturgies celebrated in anticipation of Sunday as well."

According to the usage of the larger Church of the "Ruthenian Rescension" (UGCC), Dolnytsky calls for dark (red) vestments on the feast day of Sts. Peter and Paul and on its Apodosis of June 30, Synaxis of the Apostles.

He also mentions green may be worn from All Saints until the vigil of Sts. Peter and Paul, with the exceptions of polyeleos or vigil rank feasts that fall within that time such as June 24/July 7, etc.

It occurred to me just moments before the liturgy started (as I gazed on the green ca ndle shields) that maybe white wasn't thre right color yesterday.

D'oh.

Yep. We have two adult green vestments.

After the abortive atttempt at vesting in blue a few months ago, we haven't worried too much (the other server couldn't get any blue around his middle, whereas the longest blue looked like an indecently short miniskirt on me . . .)

hawk, who will wear green next week

Why was "blood red" colored vestments used in the Archeparchy this past Sunday?

Ung??

U-C,

Just an observation from personal experience, most parishes/priests/deacons don't own/can't afford multiple shades of red and so the red they have is used, whether of the darker burgundy or brighter scarlet variety. Mine is of the brighter variety so that is what I wear.

Fr. Deacon Lance

But is a dark color prescribed for the weeks of the Apostle's Fast?

Ung