Everyone reading this thread needs to take some time and read through the above. Its contents were unspeakingly discomforting. This caught me completely by surprise.
I am continuously puzzled at the numbers of contributors to these fora who seem to think that fidelity to tradition rests on the principle that "nothing shall ever be done for the first time."
There is a difference between doing something for the first time and implementing an innovation that runs against the grain of immemorial traditions.
Well, before we guessing any further, did anyone read the approved statute already? I believe it included the necessity to conform with the Liturgical rubics.
Also, the statute and the organization catechism are two separate things. Never heard that their catechism is approved already.
But I dunno, I just know about this movement from internet.
This is also an Eastern Catholic video clip of the Newcatechumenate Way.
Apart from including a few iconic images in a melange of statuary, banners, etc, this clip has nothing to suggest that it is Eastern.
Many years,
Neil (who has not forgotten, before anyone feels compelled to remind him, that a Melkite hierarch invited the NCW into his eparchy)
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
This, otoh, was filmed in Nuestra Se�ora de Narek, the Armenian Cathedral parish in Buenos Aires, and the celebrant appears to be His Eminence Vartan (Boghossian), Eparch of St Gregory of Narek in Buenos Aires of the Armenians and Apostolic Exarch of Mexico & Latin America for the Armenians.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
If you do a search on Catholic Answers Forums, you can find pages & pages of material on this with much first-hand testimony about how the group operates. Here is one among the many:
And yes btw, it is true, we do sit down when we receive communion. The Mass takes place on the altar, and we arrange flowers on the altar and light the candles, it's really beautiful. The Priest does the consecration and walks around to every one of us saying just what he would at a normal Mass- you know "The body of Christ" we say "Amen". The difference is we remain holding the body of Christ until the Priest goes around to everyone and that is when we consume it.
The Mass is similar to the Sunday Mass, in that we say the creed, and of course the same readings, etc. The difference that others have already pointed out is that there are brief admonitions before each reading, and individuals are given time to offer up their own petitions during the Mass. The priest usually gives a ten to fifteen minute homily. We have guitars, and tamborines, and there's lots of singing. I usually end up going to both Saturday night and Sunday Masses but I enjoy the Saturday night more because everyone is singing and we all have the opportunity to actively participate in the Mass, so I feel like I get alot more out of it. I hope that helps.
If you do a search on Catholic Answers Forums, you can find pages & pages of material on this with much first-hand testimony about how the group operates. Here is one among the many:
And yes btw, it is true, we do sit down when we receive communion. The Mass takes place on the altar, and we arrange flowers on the altar and light the candles, it's really beautiful. The Priest does the consecration and walks around to every one of us saying just what he would at a normal Mass- you know "The body of Christ" we say "Amen". The difference is we remain holding the body of Christ until the Priest goes around to everyone and that is when we consume it.
The Mass is similar to the Sunday Mass, in that we say the creed, and of course the same readings, etc. The difference that others have already pointed out is that there are brief admonitions before each reading, and individuals are given time to offer up their own petitions during the Mass. The priest usually gives a ten to fifteen minute homily. We have guitars, and tamborines, and there's lots of singing. I usually end up going to both Saturday night and Sunday Masses but I enjoy the Saturday night more because everyone is singing and we all have the opportunity to actively participate in the Mass, so I feel like I get alot more out of it. I hope that helps.
Ridiculous. Why not just focus on good, solid post-baptismal catechesis and stay away from experimental liturgics?
Well, before we guessing any further, did anyone read the approved statute already? I believe it included the necessity to conform with the Liturgical rubics.
Also, the statute and the organization catechism are two separate things. Never heard that their catechism is approved already.
But I dunno, I just know about this movement from internet.
The approved statutes are the same as those which had been approved in 2002, ad experimentum for a period of five years. The decree of definitive approval mentions nothing about fresh changes to the approved statutes and, indeed, speaks positively and explicitly of the NCW's liturgical praxis for the past 40 years.
Please read Articles 12-14, which are about the liturgy. The statutes make it clear that the NCW prefers to celebrate Sunday Mass ("Dominical Eucharist") on Saturday evening (after First Vespers) and in small groups.
No, the statutes say nothing about the necessity of following the rubrics of the Roman Missal. Even if these did, it should be remembered that the NCW has persisted in ignoring the initial calls of the Holy See to change its liturgy and conform to the Roman Missal.
The NCW Statutes actually make for edifying reading... but if you read closely enough, it is clear that the appeals to tradition and to the Magisterium in it, conceal a thorough-going spirit of innovation.
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