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Pope returns to old way of distributing Communion
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VATICAN CITY (AP) � A papal aide says Pope Benedict XVI intends to return to the old way of distributing Communion at Masses.
Benedict's master of liturgical ceremonies said in an interview Wednesday in the Vatican newspaper L'Osservatore Romano that the pontiff will place the Communion host in the mouths of the faithful who kneel before him.
That's how Roman Catholics received Communion in the years before the modernizing reforms of the Second Vatican Council in the 1960s. The reforms made it possible for faithful to take the host in their hands while standing.
Benedict gave Communion to kneeling faithful during his trip this month to southern Italy.
The aide, Monsignor Guido Marini, says that distributing Communion the old way helps faithful be devout.
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I wish my church returns back also.
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C/IABA ICYCY XPI/ICTY!
Was not standing in a receiving line going back to the old way, for us?
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What on earth is this?
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"C/IABA ICYCY XPI/ICTY!" in Cyrillic which the new system won�t accept, and you saw before I could edit.
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Administrator's note:"C/IABA ICYCY XPI/ICTY!" in Cyrillic which the new system won�t accept, and you saw before I could edit. We will hopefully have this addressed in the next few hours. Generally, when an update is installed, everything goes back to default settings, and certain features have to then be turned back on. It will take a few days to discover what has to be addressed in this release. In IC XC, Father Anthony+ Administrator
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I think it's great that the Pope is doing this; however, I do have a question.
Will he refuse to give the Host to someone who kneels but holds out his/her hands? It's my understanding that this method of reception is still permitted in the church. Is he saying that's no longer permitted, or just that he *prefers* people receive on the tongue?
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Hmmm, I didn't know this was "the old way," since that is how I receive Communion, in the Novus Ordo and Traditional Mass alike.
Theist Gal,
I'm sure people are "expected" to receive on the tongue, and I don't imagine there would be too many people, if anyone, who would put his hands out when he sees everyone in front of him receiving on the tongue, but I have no doubt that the Holy Father would not refuse someone Communion in the hand should he stick his hands out and not open his mouth.
But when a priest is putting the Holy Communion towards your face, it would seem only natural to open your mouth.
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Aide: Pope Prefers Communion on Tongue Monsignor Marini Comments on Papal Preference VATICAN CITY, JUNE 26, 2008 (Zenit.org).- Benedict XVI would prefer to distribute communion on the tongue and to people who are kneeling, according to the master of papal liturgical ceremonies. L'Osservatore Romano noted in an interview with Monsignor Guido Marini, published Wednesday, that the Pope distributed Communion to individuals who knelt and received the host on their tongues during his apostolic trip last week to Brindisi in Southern Italy. When asked if this could become common practice, the monsignor replied, "I believe so." "It is necessary not to forget," he added, "that the distribution of Communion on the hand continues to remain, from the juridical standpoint, an exception (indult) to the universal law, conceded by the Holy See to those bishops' conferences who have requested it." "The form used by Benedict XVI tends to underline the force of the valid norm for the entire Church," clarified Monsignor Marini. The master of papal liturgical ceremonies said receiving Communion on the tongue, "without taking anything away from the other [form], better highlights the truth of the real presence in the Eucharist, helps the devotion of the faithful, and introduces more easily the sense of mystery. Aspects which, in our times, pastorally speaking, it is urgent to highlight and recover." Pre and post To those who accuse Benedict XVI of wanting to return the Church to the way it was before the Second Vatican Council, the master of papal liturgical ceremonies explained that "terms such as 'preconciliar' and 'postconciliar' seem to me to belong to a manner of speaking that is outdated, and if they are used with the objective of indicating a discontinuity in the path of the Church, I consider them to be wrong and typical of very reductive ideological viewpoints." "There are 'old things' and 'new things' that belong to the treasure of the Church of all times, and as such they should be considered," added Monsignor Marini. "Not all that is new is true, and neither is all that is old," he added. "The truth is in both the old and the new, and it is to the truth that we should tend without prejudice. "The Church lives according to this law of continuity, in virtue of which it acknowledges a development rooted in Tradition." The monsignor continued: "What is important is that everything be pointed toward a liturgical celebration that is truly the celebration of the sacred mystery, of the Lord crucified and resurrected, which makes itself present in the Church -- re-presenting the mystery of salvation -- and calling us, according to the logic of an authentic and active participation, to share to the end in [Christ's] life, which is a life of donation, of love for the Father and for his brothers and sisters, a life of holiness." http://www.zenit.org/article-23028?l=english
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"Communion in the hand" has nothing to do with the Second Vatican Council, which recommended no such thing. This innovation came along several years later and was conceded, reluctantly, by Paul VI to places where it had already become customary and the Episcopal Conference recommended it.
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I hope we all agree that it is best that it be received reverently and administered in whatever fashion will most foster this reverence. Still a lot of that is up to the faithful, but I may be of the opinion that disallowing people to receive it in hand may be helpful in getting them to think about what they are actually receiving.
While I favor the communion in tongue and not in hand, I do think that receiving in hand may have been practiced even earlier in church history. At least this quote from Cyril of Jerusalem in 390 seems to indicate. In that case allowing the faithful to receive it in hand is actually a return to an older practice unless I misunderstand this quote.
"Approaching, therefore, come not with thy wrists extended, or thy fingers open; but make thy left hand as if a throne for thy right, which is on the eve of receiving the King. And having hallowed thy palm, receive the body of Christ, saying after it, �Amen.� Then after thou hast with carefulness hallowed thine eyes by the touch of the holy body, partake thereof; giving heed lest thou lose any of it; for what thou losest is a loss to thee as it were from one of thine own members. For tell me, if anyone gave thee gold dust, wouldst thou not with all precaution keep it fast, being on thy guard against losing any of it, and suffering loss?"
Cyril of Jerusalem in 390 AD
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Hmmm, I didn't know this was "the old way," since that is how I receive Communion, in the Novus Ordo and Traditional Mass alike.
Theist Gal,
I'm sure people are "expected" to receive on the tongue, and I don't imagine there would be too many people, if anyone, who would put his hands out when he sees everyone in front of him receiving on the tongue, but I have no doubt that the Holy Father would not refuse someone Communion in the hand should he stick his hands out and not open his mouth.
But when a priest is putting the Holy Communion towards your face, it would seem only natural to open your mouth.
Alexis Whenever I serve a TLM, there are often people who would kneel but still hold their hands out (more out of instinct, I'm sure). What I do is I gently "shove" the communion plate between the hands and the mouth (almost at the chin) of the communicant. It's always worked.
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This is a violation of their right to receive communion either way they prefer, it is not up to you or others to inforce it on them.
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Stephanos,
Use of the Extraordinary Tridentine form of the Mass is generally accompanied by the official rubrics and guidelines that have always existed for it. My understanding is that it is a proper position to hold that all official guidelines that have existed for it can still continue to be adhered to. I know my parish requires all to receive on the tongue.
What you refer to as a right of preference, I think it can be said, is only applicable in a Novus Ordu context.
Come to think of it, if I want to be mischievous, perhaps I should extend my hands out to receive at my next Byzantine Catholic divine liturgy.
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Robster
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