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When I say "Byzantine Faith" I mean the "Byzantine Catholic Faith." This is to distinguish it from the Roman Catholicism. If we generalize and call it the "Catholic Faith," too many people would assume we are speaking of Roman Catholicism. Mike, The problem is that you're implying there is a difference in the content of the Faith between Byzantine and Latin Catholics, which is not true. People use these terms carelessly, but it is important to distinguish between the expression of the Faith and the Faith itself. Communion necessarily requires a unity of faith, as was recently pointed out in another thread. If Byzantine Catholics professed a different faith from that of the Roman Catholics, they could not remain in communion. Naturally, there's a huge paradox here: we resemble the Orthodox, but are not in communion with them, and we do not resemble the Roman Catholics, although we are in communion with them. Many of us claim unity of faith with both, but that's not the way everyone sees it. Peace, Deacon Richard
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The problem is that you're implying there is a difference in the content of the Faith between Byzantine and Latin Catholics, which is not true. People use these terms carelessly, but it is important to distinguish between the expression of the Faith and the Faith itself. So that I am not being careless, I want to clarify that the Byzantine Church shares the same Faith as other Catholic Churches(rites) but we have a "Byzantine Expression" that makes us distictively different. Communion necessarily requires a unity of faith, as was recently pointed out in another thread. If Byzantine Catholics professed a different faith from that of the Roman Catholics, they could not remain in communion.
Naturally, there's a huge paradox here: we resemble the Orthodox, but are not in communion with them, and we do not resemble the Roman Catholics, although we are in communion with them. Many of us claim unity of faith with both, but that's not the way everyone sees it. Prior to the Union of Brest, did the Byzantine Church have a different Faith? When the Byzantine Church pledged allegince with the Bishop of Rome did our Faith change? I do not think that the signers of this agreement would believe so. In the Future, if any of the Eastern Orthodox Churches were to unite with the Bishop of Rome would the Orthodox have a change of Faith? If so, I presume thats going to be a tough pill to swallow. Mike
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Eastern Catholic -Orthodox theology/practice while in communion with Rome.
This is clear, accurate and would be agreed upon by all parties. If the viewer asked any Orthodox, Eastern Catholic or Roman Catholic priest about it you wouldn't be accused of being incorrect or intentionally misleading. If you put Catholic Orthodox, or Orthodox in communion with Rome the inquirer might ask an Orthodox, Roman or even an Eastern/Oriental Catholic priest about it and come away with an earful of wrath!This would leave the impression that Eastern Catholics are misleading, and turn them away from us.
I like also spiritual warriors because that would appeal to folks who want to work at being Christian.
I'm really anti-proslytyzing, personally. The holiest people I've ever met were all protestants, so no one can convince me that they're going to hell. Plus, if you've never been a 5th or 6th generation Protestant you're underestimating the resistance to Catholicism and the ties to protestantism. If they are going to switch it should be because of your exemplary Christian behavior and not because you feel that Protestantism is empty, and bereft. You underestimate southern protestants, my dear.
I say leave Christians alone and go for Buddhist and Muslims.
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I say leave Christians alone and go for Buddhist and Muslims. Why is sharing my Faith with Protestants a negative thing? Many Evangelicals may be devout and Holy, but they are lacking the True Faith and the Sacraments that were handed down by Christ. Perhaps there may be some that have a yearning for a traditional service that will provide them with the Sacraments. Christian, Buddhist, Muslim, or Atheist are welcome at my parish. All I would like to do is promote this to those who are receptive by putting some window decals on my vehicle. I am not going to go door to door to debate over doctrine and scripture. To those that have provided suggestions I thank you very much! Many Blessings Mike L
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Greco Catholics of the Orthodox Faith communing in Scripture, Tradition and (Eastern) Mysticism.
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Greco catholics of the orthodox faith communing in scripture, tradition and (Eastern Christian) mysticism.
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We set aside our earthly troubles to welcome the King of all escorted by angels...
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C.H.B. Mykhayl, This one gets my vote!  We set aside our earthly troubles to welcome the King of all escorted by angels... Peace, Deacon Richard
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C. I. X. Reverend Father Richard,
Thanks, but it was Justinian who publicized it over 14 centuries ago. Some times the test of time rings the truest, and importantly it is ours. "Learn from others but forget not your mother" T. Shevchenko. Michael
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C. I. X. Lets clean this up as street friendly. How about:
Join us in setting aside our troubles welcoming the King of all attended by angels choirs singing alleluia.
Mystically discard your troubles welcoming the King of all escorted by angels chanting alleluia, alleluia, alleluia
Join us Cherubim by casting off you troubles to mystically embrace the omnipotent God administered by angels choirs: alleluia, alleluia, alleluia
Cast aside our troubles mystically joining the Cherubim to welcome the inclusive King escorted by angels singing; hallulia, alleluia, hallelujah.
We earthly as mystical Cherubim accept the inclusive King with angelic sing of alleluia, alleluia, alleluia.
Discard earthly pride like mystical Cherubim alleluia, So we can embrace the inclusive King alleluia, Accompanied by angelic choirs singing alleluia.
Any poets out there? We need it short and sweet.
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