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And just while the Catholic Bishops are moving in the right direction, the Byzantine Catholic Bishops are moving in the opposite direction!
What? confused Are we changing "And with your spirit" to "And also with you"? I hadn't heard that!
No, smile But we are changing "for us men, and for our salvation" to "for all of us" and employing controversial and "agenda driven" words like "humankind" and other exclusive nonsense. Clearly not the direction the rest of the Catholic Church's bishops are leading.

You have to give the Archbishop credit! It takes real guts to stand before the rest of the bishops, and have the courage to say they're wrong! ...leading our Church in the opposite direction.

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It will perhaps be intersting to see the list of changes that these Latin revisionists led by Bishop Trautman have overwhelmingly endorsed, then compare their new texts with ours to see whether we are actually getting convergence or divergence. (Tabulate "And with your spirit" under convergence.) The claim of "opposite directions" is specious without the facts.

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For those interested and maybe a sense of a thought for the revised Ruthenian Liturgy...a good opinion from the Wall Street Journel, and a thank you to Fr. Z (WDTPRS Blog) for the info.

http://www.opinionjournal.com/taste/?id=110008557

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The best quote and idea/thought from the article...

"The current controversy is also interesting because it reveals a fundamental misunderstanding over the nature of liturgical language. The Rev. Lawrence J. Madden, director of the Georgetown Center for Liturgy, dislikes the new and more accurate translation because "It isn't the English we speak. It's becoming more sacred English, rather than vernacular English."

Yet that is precisely the point. When Vatican II permitted translations of the Mass in 1963, it spoke of translating into the "mother tongue," not into everyday speech. Contrary to widespread belief, there has never been a tradition of the vernacular in Christian liturgy, if by "vernacular" you mean the language we speak on the street. Many of the earliest Masses were offered in a language the congregation could understand, but not in the language that could be heard in the marketplace. Before a native language was used in divine worship, it was first "sacralized"--its syntax and diction were gingerly modified, archaisms were deliberately re-introduced and even new rhythmic meters and cadences were invented. All of this was done in order to produce a distinctive mode of communication, one that was separate from garden-variety vernacular speech and capable of relaying the unique mysteries of the Gospel.

Thus, if English is to convey sacred mysteries, there should be a "sacred English." The very word we use for everyday speech, "profane," comes from pro-fano, "outside the temple." If Catholics wish to make the world Christ's temple, as Pope Benedict recently put it, they must first be careful not to make Christ's temple the world.

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