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this is an occurrence with growing frequency in UGCC churches in the U.S. I would add BCC as well; it is not a matter of law but a matter of enforcement.
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this is an occurrence with growing frequency in UGCC churches in the U.S. I would add BCC as well; it is not a matter of law but a matter of enforcement. Where in the BCC? Have not seen it in the Passaic Eparchy. Dn. Robert
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I recently attended a Ukrainian Greek Catholic Divine Liturgy in Western Pennsylvania where an older girl served at the altar with four young men. A young woman also recited the Epistle. This was surpising to me. Most of the Liturgy was recited and lasted under one hour. Was it the parish in Revloc, Pa.? I saw a girl serving there a few years ago. The entire Liturgy was recited.
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this is an occurrence with growing frequency in UGCC churches in the U.S. I would add BCC as well; it is not a matter of law but a matter of enforcement. Where in the BCC? Have not seen it in the Passaic Eparchy. Dn. Robert Nor in the Protopresbytery of Southern States. 
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That is not correct - the English translation of the Church- (UGCC)-wide particular law was completed in 2006. The Pastoral Guide or particular law for the Archeparchy of Philadelphia and the Eparchies of Chicago, Parma, and Stamford was completed in 1999. How do I get my hands on that Guide?
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Nor do I recall ever seeing an altar girl in the BCC.
I have seen female cantors and readers (non-preferred but permitted).
I also would like to see the UGCC particular law. It is online?
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That is a pic which includes a girl in a cassock - she could be a reader
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She could be--it's a stretch to think that, but could be.
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John,
Can you give us any details about the picture? Could these two young people be high school graduates in their gowns? They seem to be the focus of the picture and the Bishop and priests are in the background; as in honoring graduation.
Also, this picture is from a Ukrainian eparchy, not Ruthenian.
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Actually both of the people in the black cassocks could be girls - these days it is sometimes hard to be sure!
Lethbridge, incidentally, is something of a hybrid parish.
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Graduation is a possibility as homeschooling is popular today. My son graduated wearing a black cap and gown and was handed his diploma by the Bishop.
However, at a high school graduation, girls usually wear high heels to match their dresses, and the gowns are rarely floor length. In addition, many high schools select graduation gowns that are consistent with the school colors, so graduates can wear white, green, maroon, gold, or black gowns with white, red, blue, or green tassels on their caps. Moreover, there are the golden honor stoles and the valedictorian or honor cords and medallions.
Nevertheless, with all this talk about altar girls, the Greek Orthodox Church did tonsure a female reader around 2000 in Southern California, but I do not think that she goes behind the altar. Instead, she sings with the chanters and is allowed the privilege of wearing a black raissa when she reads the epistle.
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Where in the BCC? Have not seen it in the Passaic Eparchy. I've personally seen it three times; twice in the Eparchy of Parma (once during the reign of Bishop Andrew and once during then-Bishop Basil) and once in in the Eparchy of Van Nuys during Bishop William's tenure. Admittedly one of the occasions referenced in the Parma Eparchy was a joint Latin-Byzantine function; but was sponsored and directed by the Byzantines who invited the particular "servers". And no, unfortunately the Pastoral Guide is not yet available on-line. Stay tuned. It is possible this abuse may also be tolerated more by bi-ritualists who allow them at their Latin parishes. FDRLB
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The one time I saw it was in Parma, and the girl did not enter the altar but did wear a sticharion. She read the Epistle and held candles for the Entrances and Communion.
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