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I am sorry, I can't share your happiness.

This would only lead the faithful to a total confussion. There are lots of groups calling themselves Orthodox and catholic and they're not.

Apparently, the "sedevacantist" group you're describing has something to do with a dozen of Mexican priests who followed a Vietnamese Bishop and announced "the invalidity of the Novus Ordo Missae and the vacancy of the Holy See". Their leader, after his consacration, was immediately arrested by the Mexican authorities accused of subversion.

I also read that article of the Society of St Josaphat and I supose that most Orthodox priests (and now this Bishop) who joined this kind of groups, do it because of confusion or ignorance. Some priests who joined the SSPX in Ukraine did it because they didn't want the liturgy in vernacular and because they had troubles with charismatic groups (those charismatic groups again).

However I think that they were easily seduced by traditional groups such as the SSPX because they have not explored other options. I hope that this Ukrainian Bishop (God bless him a lot!) realizes soon that the CMRI is not the Catholic Church, and that they cheated him.

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Robert Horvath.:

"those matters which were rejected by the schismatic Orthodox Church; namely: the Papacy, the Primacy of Jurisdiction of the Roman Pontiff, Papal Infallibility"

But, eh, if these guys believe it is schismatic to reject the Primacy of the jurisdiction of the Pope, why aren't they under the jurisdiction of the Pope?

If Orthodox Christians are schismatics for rejecting Papal juridiction, then what does this say about the sedevacantists??

If the Pope can fail in matters of doctrine, then Papal infalliability is not real, or?

And if it is possible for the "Apostolic see" to be empty, then how can the Papacy be essential to the Church?

Just wondering...

Christian

[QUOTE]Originally posted by Steven:

"only the ROC and UAOC wear the white hats most of the time. Only the KP and UGCC wear black most of the time."

Not quite, in the Slavic tradition (at least in the Russian, Ukrainian and Belarussian churches)

a) a metropolitan wears a white klobuk (hat),

b) an archbishop wears a black klobuk with a cross,

c) and a bishop wears a black klobuk without a cross, just like the ones ordinary munks and nuns wear...

Bishop Yurij wears a black klobuk because he is a bishop, not a metropolitan.

Christian

Dear Christian,

I stand corrected .

But every picture I have seen of MP Alexi II and his Archbishops they are wearing white klobuks.

I agree with the rest.

Hmm....what is Orthodox these days.

Dear Steven,

What is truly Orthodox?

You and I for sure . . .

Alex

All this talk about schisms of various kinds, all I can think of is a short verse from the Gospel of St. Luke:

"And Jesus wept."

This event saddens me. Last time I spoke up for Orthodox, I was criticized for "not respecting the Catholic religion." So I will just register my sadness and keep my Orthodox mouth shut, as you wish.

Dear Steven:

Please give more information on the ethnic breakdown of the Greek Catholics in communion with the SSPX.

How do you draw these conclusions? Thanks!

With Best Wishes!
Stefan-Ivan

Robert,I think that your post was intruging rather than disourteous.Don't feel bad,I always wondered if such things happened.This maybe a steeping stone for the bishop into the real Catholic church.bravo my friend.

oh boy,please disregard my typos.bad typer here

JPorthodox,just select your words wisely,saying that we follow an evil regime does not make us happy campers,peace to you