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Amadeus, those poll results are bad news in my book.

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Neither of the major party candidates are pro-life. Just once I'd like to vote for someone who against abortion and capital punishment.

"Put not your trust in princes, in the sons of men"

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How unfortunate that Ron Paul was never taken seriously as a viable candidate. I think the media often does their best to identify who they see as the "candidates" and you hear very little about anyone else but those they have chosen to cover.

I do not feel that voting for other than one of the 2 major party candidates is throwing away a vote. If enough people would vote for who they feel in their heart should be president, we would probably see some changes in the positions of these two major parties platforms or at least it would open the door for other options. Until enough individuals take that approach we will continue to get the policies and type of candidates thrown at us by those two parties that we have always gotten.

I do feel that Obama would be much scarier as president than McCain, but I find it awful hard to endorse McCain because one feels he is the lesser of two evils. By that I don't mean that either candidate is actually evil, but why do we have to settle on voting for someone we don't agree with just to keep some else out of office.

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In 1980, I felt that Reagan would be much scarier as president than Carter, but I found it awful hard to endorse Carter because one feels he is the lesser of two evils. By that I don't mean that either candidate is actually evil, but why do we have to settle on voting for someone we don't agree with just to keep some else out of office. JW55. I used your language to make the point that it has always been that way. I just hope people are not one issue voters and look at the whole picture. McCain has a temper which seems to be unable to control and now he selected that vapid Alaskan as his VP! Obama looks better every day.

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Originally Posted by johnzonaras
In 1980, I felt that Reagan would be much scarier as president than Carter, but I found it awful hard to endorse Carter because one feels he is the lesser of two evils. By that I don't mean that either candidate is actually evil, but why do we have to settle on voting for someone we don't agree with just to keep some else out of office. JW55. I used your language to make the point that it has always been that way. I just hope people are not one issue voters and look at the whole picture. McCain has a temper which seems to be unable to control and now he selected that vapid Alaskan as his VP! Obama looks better every day.

I must admit that at first I thought McCain's pick was bold, unconventional, and politically brilliant. Then I watched the Charles Gibson and Katie Kourac interviews, and, well...it is clear that Ms. Palin is not ready to hold any national office, much less that of VP. Her answers reminded me of those answers I get from students on an exam when they don't know the material or how to answer the question and so they just try to bs their way through.

Now, given that the Republican candidate is 73 and if elected, she would be a heartbeat away from the presidency, and given that she would be an absolute disaster for this country and possibly do something crazy like start world war three (if you don't believe me, watch this
), and given that the Republican efforts to end abortion are mostly lukewarm, could this not (according to Catholic Social teaching) add up to a pronderance of serious reasons that outweigh Obama's pro choice stance? I'm not Catholic so I'm not bound to Catholic Social Teaching anyway, but I have to admit, I too think that Obama is looking better every day.

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Hi:

Originally Posted by JW55
How unfortunate that Ron Paul was never taken seriously as a viable candidate. I think the media often does their best to identify who they see as the "candidates" and you hear very little about anyone else but those they have chosen to cover.

I do not feel that voting for other than one of the 2 major party candidates is throwing away a vote. If enough people would vote for who they feel in their heart should be president, we would probably see some changes in the positions of these two major parties platforms or at least it would open the door for other options. Until enough individuals take that approach we will continue to get the policies and type of candidates thrown at us by those two parties that we have always gotten.

I do feel that Obama would be much scarier as president than McCain, but I find it awful hard to endorse McCain because one feels he is the lesser of two evils. By that I don't mean that either candidate is actually evil, but why do we have to settle on voting for someone we don't agree with just to keep some else out of office.

How about Chuck Baldwin with the Constitution Party?

http://www.constitutionparty.com/

I have thrown in the towel with the Democrats & Republicans and I was really considering not voting this coming election.

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Baldwin seems like a good choice, at least his values are in the right place. I am also interested in finding out more about about Bob Barr.

I am definitely not satisfied with the presidential choices of the major parties. I think we would have only increased economic problems with Obama and I have a definite major issue with his stance on abortion. With McCain I can't see an end to our involvement in Iraq.

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There have been many times over the course of the past thirty years that I have held my nose and voted for someone I didn't particularly like, but who was the lesser of the two evils and quiet honestly, the only pro-life choice. This is the first time when holding my nose is just not enough...I just can't pull that lever for either of them. There are a lot of things that Obama says (and he does occasionally say something) that I am drawn to, but his hard core pro-abort stance drives me away. McCain...he takes the 'I'm personally against abortion...' argument to new levels..he's pro-life, but supports fetal stem cell research - where does he think those fetuses are going to come from? And now, for the first time in thirty years, I am actually thinking of the economy. Growing up poor, I never really factored in the economy when making my decision, because, frankly, when you are at a certain level of poverty, it doesn't matter who gets in, you are still down there. But this time is different...and even I have to factor money into it.
I was really starting to like Ron Paul and I've heard that Bob Barr is much like him. I also like Alan Keyes and always have. I think it's going to come down to one of those two for me or I'm going to just cut my registration card in half, send one part to each party and tell them both I quit.

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