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So interesting article, James, and a great blog! Thank you!
In my parish (melkite), the priest celebrates also the Roman Rite to the people of that rite who lives around. And on Holy Friday, at night, he celebrates first the Roman Mass and then proceed doing the Byzantine Office of the Funeral of Christ. So in the latin celebration, I serve also as altar server, with my byzantine garment, and I adopt the latin gesture of joining hands. But maybe I'm wrong.
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Mea culpa, but I forgot to credit The New Liturgical Movement for the article... I'm a bit  at various random times... Yes it is a good blog that was unknown to me, not anymore though... james ps...I just noticed that Byzantine Texas has it also, another mea culpa...
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Which is the version of the Greek text read by the Greek Deacon of the Papal Mass? The Textus Receptus or the version used by the Orthodox Church of Greece or which other one?
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Correction: my parish priest didn't celebrate the Mass on Holy Friday, but only a celebration similar to the Mass, without consecration. He used the pamphlet of the Latin Archdiocesis.
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James,
Excellent blog, thanks for bringing it to our attention.
Many years,
Neil
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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"The Greek Deacon of the Papal Rite of Mass" [ annalesecclesiaeucrainae.blogspot.com] is very interesting reading indeed, especially in light of the forthcoming papal visit to the Holy Land. For example, in Bethlehem the Gospel during the Papal Mass will be proclaimed not by Greek and Latin deacons, but by a Syriac bishop. Surely, this is an interesting development? It is also very interesting to see that during Papal Mass in the presence of the Ecumenical Patriarch, the Gospel has been chanted by a Greek Orthodox deacon! How do Eastern Catholics and Eastern Orthodox Christians feel about this kind of participation by Eastern deacons (or even an Eastern bishop) during a Papal Mass? Do you think it is a good sign of the universality of the Church, or do you see it as an unfortunate mixing of rites?
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I think it's good, but I'm not sure how I feel about a Greek Orthodox deacon chanting the Gospel at a Catholic Mass that is breaking quite a few rules.
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It is also very interesting to see that during Papal Mass in the presence of the Ecumenical Patriarch, the Gospel has been chanted by a Greek Orthodox deacon! Are you sure that it was a Greek Orthodox deacon or simply a Greek Catholic deacon? BOB
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Phillipe:
That's the Latin version of the Presanctified Liturgy.
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It is also very interesting to see that during Papal Mass in the presence of the Ecumenical Patriarch, the Gospel has been chanted by a Greek Orthodox deacon! Are you sure that it was a Greek Orthodox deacon or simply a Greek Catholic deacon? BOB Well the article did say very clearly that he was an Orthodox Deacon
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It is also very interesting to see that during Papal Mass in the presence of the Ecumenical Patriarch, the Gospel has been chanted by a Greek Orthodox deacon! Are you sure that it was a Greek Orthodox deacon or simply a Greek Catholic deacon? BOB Yes, I'm sure. You can see pictures from the feast of St Peter and St Paul, 29 June 2008, here: http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/photogallery/2008/29062008/index.html (note especially pictures 7 and 8 of 15) As you can see, the Greek Orthodox deacon is not vested for Mass, which I believe he would have been if he were Greek Catholic. See also the liturgical booklet from the same celebration, 29 June 2008: http://www.vatican.va/news_services/liturgy/libretti/2008/20080629.pdfOn p. 27 it states that "Il Diacono ortodosso proclama la stessa pericope evangelica in greco." ("The Orthodox deacon proclaims the same Gospel reading in Greek." Cf. picture 7 of 15 above.) It also states on p. 29 that "Il Diacono ortodosso consegna il Libro dei Vangeli al Santo Padre e il Diacono latino lo consegna al Patriarca. Quindi il Santo Padre e il Patriarca baciano il Libro dei Vangeli e con esso benedicono l’assemblea." ("The Orthodox deacon gives the book of the Gospels to the Holy Father and the Latin deacon gives it to the Patriarch. Then the Holy Father and the Patriarch kiss the book of the Gospels and bless the congregation with it." Cf. picture 8 of 15 above.) Very interesting, and quite moving, don't you think?
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LC:
I was thinking of another occasion when one of the deacons that chanted the Gospel was from the Greek seminary in Rome. I guess I missed this one.
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I have seen that too. At the inauguration Mass of Pope Benedict, the Gospel was chanted by what is clearly a Greek Catholic deacon: http://www.benedictxvi.tv/video/2005/002-24-04-2005-inizio-ratzinger-benedictxvi.wmv (about 53 minutes into the video) I think this tradition of chanting the Gospel in both Greek and Latin during the most solemn Papal Masses is very interesting and quite touching.
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