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Shlomo Fr. Deacon Daniel,
This is going to scare you even more. I just found this very same website as was going to post it. I have had the opposite reaction though to him.
I agree with him that we need to be able to connect with people where ever they are. I am a great lover of Techno (for those not in the know, Detroit is home of Techno Music), and when I would go to raves I would always made it to Church and talked to people on how they can be of this world, but also of Christ.
My favorite story is when I was at a rave in Minneapolis, one of Sunday School Students spotted me, came over and then started bringing her friends over. We had an improptue leason on how to see Christ in everyday life, and my classes increased.
While I would never corupt the Divine Liturgy, I have had my DJ friends use Gregorian, Syriac, and other liturgical chants in their music, and have then had people wonder about it. Music, like everything else in this world is a great tool for evangelizing, and I know that once someone is curious, half your work is done.
Fush BaShlomo,
Yuhannon
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Jonn, Alice, et al.,
In some of the communities that already use disposible cups in their communion trays, this might be a good way to set up Communion Services the night before. Simply go through the church and place these in the little holders on the back of each pew and its already for the next day's Service.
It's interesting to note that theology is expressed in how one approaches the logistics of distributing the Eucharist. The community's understanding is expressed in this type of concrete usage. To me it's interesting that the more quickly one can "get it done" the less one focuses on what the Apostolic Churches refer to as the Body and Blood of Christ.
BOB I couldn't have put it more eloquently. it really upsets me, because in fact, the Lord's Supper is a sacred time to most Protestants, believe me, I have been at such services ranging from Church of Christ to Lutheran, and everyone in between. this is not to leave out Catholic (both East and West), Orthodox, Anglican and Mormon services, we're discussing Protestants here. I will say that at Pilgrim UCC Church in Chattanooga that usually, Communion is served by Intinction, that is to say that you get up, get line, take a piece of bread off the loaf and dip in either wine or grape juice. the idea of sanctified snack packs with the prepacks is to me a cynical demeaning of such a sacred time for people. I suppose it is for convenience. but let me ask, the Lord's Supper is in memory of the Sacrifice of One who laid aside convenience for the sake of humankind, is it not? I honor the Protestant intention of the Lord's Super as much as I do the Eucharist for those of us in the Apostolic tradition. Much Love, Jonn
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JONN:
I didn't mean to imply that the folks who have the idea of the Eucharist being a simple memorial or symbolic action lack reverence. In fact, many put those of us in the Apostolic Churches to shame.
This offering might offend some of these brethren of ours as much as it does us. After all, part of celebrating the Eucharist is the actual preparation of the bread--in whatever form--and the wine (or grape juice for those who have an aversion to anything with alcohol in it).
To me this little offering is a bit like those things they give kids for lunch in place of a prepared lunhc in a bag. Do they call them "lunchables"? It's a box with some little bits of meat, cheese, crackers, and a little spreader. They're just thrust into a bag and the kid gets a load of fat and calories. Eeeewwww!!! The amount of time it takes shows the love that goes into the bag--and I don't mean Mom or Dad needs to spend an hour preparing lunch for their kids. (A quick PB&J, piece of fruit, cookie, and a napkin takes about 10 minutes. Been there; done that.)
But then I heard a priest refer to the Eucharist he was carrying as "Jesus in a box" and wanted to cry.
In Christ,
BOB
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I guess this is just another further 'casualization' of the Roman Catholic experience. No offense to anybody but 'traditional' seems to carry alot of baggage with alot of Roman Catholics today. It may be a sort of rebellion that simply needs time to ease--kind of like a rebellious teen that needs to grow up to appreciate the values of their parent. I'm guessing that this is either a secular company or a Protestant company and their market is very likely Protestant. I've seen a lot of overly casual Catholic parishes but I've never seen one use the "communion tray." That seems to be a pretty strictly Protestant invention. As is the use of grape juice instead of wine. I think that the biggest market for this will be Baptist and non-denominational churches that buy their supplies at places like Lifeway Christian Stores.
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Especially when this guy has a web page: http://www.thepunkpriest.com/I will now curl up into the fetal position.... Fr. Deacon Daniel [/quote] WOW! what is that guys deal?
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