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are any of you familiar with the western rite liturgy celebrated by the Antiochian Orthodox Church if so please share your thoughts on it

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The Antiochian Archdiocese has two Western Rite versions of the Liturgy: one is a corrected and augmented version of the Holy Communion service of the Book of Common Prayer; the other is an augmented version of what we now call the "Extraordinary Form" of the Roman Mass.

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thanks father what ae your views on the litirgies/westren right

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Father,

How are they "augmented?" Except for a couple minor revisions, like a more explicit Epiclesis in the TLM, I've never noticed any augmentations. What are they?

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Originally Posted by Altar Server
thanks father what ae your views on the litirgies/westren right

sorry for the misspellings

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The Filioque is the other augmentation in the Western Rite liturgy.

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Originally Posted by Logos - Alexis
Father,

How are they "augmented?" Except for a couple minor revisions, like a more explicit Epiclesis in the TLM, I've never noticed any augmentations. What are they?

Alexis

Off topic I know. You sure are sounding old now biggrin

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The present Greek Orthodox Patriarch of Antioch has required the addition of the Byzantine pre-Communion prayer ("I believe, O Lord, and I confess . . ." If you remind me later in the week I shall look and see what else I can find. But so far as time is concerned, this weekend is a nightmare!

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Pani,

What makes you say that? Was it the way I phrased it?

...I admit to being less enamored with myself than I was when I was younger, and maybe my sentences are a bit more compact?

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The Liturgy of St. Gregory is similar to the ancient Roman liturgy. The differences with what would be known as the "Extraordinary Form" would be the absence of the Filioque, an explicit descending epiclesis, and the fact that the Extraordinary Form is based on the 1962 Missal. (The Liturgy of St. Gregory predates '62 and hence the '62 Missal.) Other minor differences would be the translation of the word "merits," and the substitution of the Patriarch of Antioch for the Pope.

The Liturgy of St. Tikhon differs a great deal from the 1928 Book of Common Prayer, as it is greatly augmented. It is more like an Anglican Missal Mass, corrected for Orthodox theology. While he was hierarch in North America, a number of Episcopalians approached St. Tikhon (Bellavin) to join the Orthodox Church and use something akin to their BCP; he petitioned the Holy Synod of Russia. The Synod issued a number of changes but left their implementation to the bishop on the ground. All changes they recommended to the Mass and Hours were implemented by the Antiochian Archdiocese when they adopted this liturgy. (The Hours for this, Morning and Evening Prayer, are found in The English Office.) Augmentations would include the Asperges (often prayed before Mass), Prayers at the Foot of the Altar, Introit, Gradual/Tract, Alleluia/Sequence, lack of Filioque, Offertory verse, Offertory Prayers, a stronger descending epiclesis, Communion verse, Post-Communion prayers, Agnus Dei, Domine Non Sum Dignus, invocations of the prayers of the Mother of God and other saints, a prayer for the dead, the Embolism on the Lord's Prayer, and the return of the Gloria to its traditional position following the Kyrie (off the top of my head). The Patriarch of Antioch asked the Byzantine pre-communion prayers to be recited in this liturgy. Here's a post on the topic [westernorthodox.blogspot.com].

I hope that helps.

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Thanks. yeah this helps I'm thinking about attending a service because it would be more along the lines of the liturgy I'm familiar with.

and are there any western devotions for example to the Sacred Heart of Benediction of The Blessed Sacrament?

Are there statues ect ?

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Originally Posted by Altar Server
Thanks. yeah this helps I'm thinking about attending a service because it would be more along the lines of the liturgy I'm familiar with.

and are there any western devotions for example to the Sacred Heart of Benediction of The Blessed Sacrament?

Are there statues ect ?
One More question do they use the western Calender and Kneel on Sundays?

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Dear Altar Server,

There are Antiochian Orthodox parishes of the Western Rite that do indeed have images of the Sacred Heart of Christ and the feast is in their calendar. Benediction of the Blessed Sacrament was and is practiced in the parishes served by one Antiochian Orthodox priest, a convert from the Episcopal church (who brought most if not all of his parish over to Western Orthodoxy).

Statues of Our Lady of Walsingham are especially popular, as are outdoor processions with them.

Lancelot Andrewes Press is a Western Orthodox publishing group that prints excellent volumes of the Western/Anglican tradition for Western Orthodox Christians and others.

They also have icons of Western Saints (including one of King Charles the Martyr, BTW) with Our Lady of Glastonbury and Our Lady of Walsingham.

We can all benefit greatly from this great heritage that truly augments, in its own special way, our Christian experience as Orthodox and Eastern Catholics.

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Glory to Jesus Christ

Alex thanks for the info. that's what I thought. Do you happen to belong to the Western Right?

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Dear Altar Server,

I'm UGCC and we have parishes that, by their Western Rite devotions, would be the envy of the most traditionalist Roman Catholic!

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