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My wife and I, crowned in the Melkite Church, were told that we received the sacramental grace of Marriage at our chrismation into the Orthodox Church. What was the condition of your marriage before chrismation into the Orthodox Church -- graceless?
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GMMcNabb came closest to answering my question (and a good answer it was!) Well a marriage without a priest, even in western theology, is not a sacrament. Just like protestant weddings. The question asires though, as mentioned above, are those good reasons for marriage without a priest. I do not know if marriage without a priest is ever possible for an Eastern catholic though. I find this very surprising and quite unsettling. Marriages in the Roman Church with a deacon (no priest) officiating are not sacraments? In Catholic theology, marriages between (baptized) e.g. Protestants, are not sacraments (consider the case of baptism itself; in Catholic theology a valid baptism is a sacrament regardless of who administers it)? It is my understanding that for (Byzantine) Catholics a dispensation from form can be granted (by Rome only) for the Catholic to be wed to a validly baptized Protestant in a Protestant service (I presume the nature of that service is taken into consideration.), and that this is a sacrament. Were this done without the dispensation it would not be a marriage in the eyes of the Catholic Church. Also, the fundamental sine qua non for a sacramental marriage is valid baptism.
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My wife and I, crowned in the Melkite Church, were told that we received the sacramental grace of Marriage at our chrismation into the Orthodox Church. What was the condition of your marriage before chrismation into the Orthodox Church -- graceless? Honestly, I don't know. Some very traditional Orthodox would say technically yes, others would say no, and others like me would say, I don't know. I don't like saying that anything is graceless. God's grace abounds everywhere. Indeed, God's upholding the universe is an act of grace. If there really is some kind of substantial difference between our married state prior to becoming Orthodox and our married state after, I suppose it would be that grace was working from the outside, whereas now that we have the Holy Spirit, grace is working from the inside. Honestly, I don't have a strong opinion on the issue. I'm finding that I need to bracket all my opinions and do much more reading and pray much more before I have any firm convictions about anything religious or political. Joe
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My wife and I, crowned in the Melkite Church, were told that we received the sacramental grace of Marriage at our chrismation into the Orthodox Church. What was the condition of your marriage before chrismation into the Orthodox Church -- graceless? Honestly, I don't know. ...I don't like saying that anything is graceless. God's grace abounds everywhere. Indeed, God's upholding the universe is an act of grace... I suppose it would be that grace was working from the outside, whereas now that we have the Holy Spirit, grace is working from the inside. Thanks for your forthright answer. Indeed, existence is the first grace, given to all, believers and unbelievers. Still I find it sad to hear that the Holy Spirit is so restricted.
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A deacon can be delegated *by the pastor* at any time to officiate a weeding, whether because a priest is unavailable or just because the pastor has too full a schedule. Wow, I never knew the Catholic Church had such a high view of this activity. In the Orthodox Church, priests and deacons rarely do this--it's either contracted out or done by lay volunteer.  Dave
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[quote=JSMelkiteOrthodoxy] My wife and I, crowned in the Melkite Church, were told that we received the sacramental grace of Marriage at our chrismation into the Orthodox Church. What was the condition of your marriage before chrismation into the Orthodox Church -- graceless? Honestly, I don't know. ...I don't like saying that anything is graceless. God's grace abounds everywhere. Indeed, God's upholding the universe is an act of grace... I suppose it would be that grace was working from the outside, whereas now that we have the Holy Spirit, grace is working from the inside. Thanks for your forthright answer. Indeed, existence is the first grace, given to all, believers and unbelievers. Still I find it sad to hear that the Holy Spirit is so restricted. I have no desire to restrict the Holy Spirit. I am only relaying what is commonly taught in many Orthodox Churches and by many Orthodox writers. To be honest, on this issue and on most issues I've become rather agnostic and reluctant to form a strong opinion. Joe
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Still I find it sad to hear that the Holy Spirit is so restricted. I have no desire to restrict the Holy Spirit. I am only relaying ... This indeed is how I took your words, ... ... what is commonly taught in many Orthodox Churches and by many Orthodox writers. ... and this the source of the sadness.
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