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So I recently overheard two men in heated debate. One claimed Halpuki was a Rusyn creation and the other was claiming it was a Ukrainian creation. As these battles usually go the two men ended it by throwing their arms up in the air and walking away. This is almost as tedious of an argument as whether or not tomato sauce should be placed on top of the halupki.

The thing is, Halupki could be Slovak or even Polish in origin. But the two guys didn't bring it up in their heated argument.

Oh my! Where in western PA will the Halupki throwdown be held?

Can we import from Ohio? I think the hand grenades that Paul makes at my home parish would definitely be in the running!

Halupki was invented by the Hungarians in Northeastern Ohio.
Probably in the mid-20th century.
Deacon El

If this topic goes on for twenty pages again, I will throw my hands up in the air!!!

(you guys are toooo much! )

Be well,
Alice...your friendly Moderator! LOL!

What's Halupki,anyhow, and why would anyone get all het-up
about it?

Edmac

What's Halupki?

The stuffing of cabbage leaves with rice, or a rice and meat mixture, can be found all over the world. My bet is that it originated in the Middle East, spread into Turkey, and then moved into Eastern Europe as the Ottomans pressed onward. While the Turks may have been repelled, their "sarma" are with us to stay!

Dave

I don't think you can claim this dish as exclusively Eastern European. My grandmother who hailed from Sweden made this dish and was familiar with it from her childhood in the old country. Ground meat and rice, wrapped in cabbage leaves is not unfamiliar to me. No tomato sauce on top; just some beef broth in the baking pan.

BOB

PS: Maybe we can combine this "throwdown" with the annual kielbassa thowdown next summer.

In deference to Alice, we'll limit the description of recipes to one per poster.

BOB

Yeah the last thread has been viewed 30,024 times so far...
I'd say that's a lot of views for one post.

So -- are you going for bust this time ?

Wherever it started, I am going to get some cabbage right now and start them in my kitchen in about three hours.

The only difference fot the Middle Eastern folks is they use grape leaves aka rolled grape leaves.

Actually it is not Slavic at all. It is a German recipe that was thrown in when there was bumper crop of cabbage. If the Slavs took the surplus off the enterprising Germans hands, then the recipe was thrown in.

I have never heard of the word "Halpuki".
Is that the Rusyn term for cabbage rolls?

In Ukrainian they are called little doves because they are supposed to be small. I hate the big ones you find in non-Ukrainian sources.

Originally in Ukraine the cabbage leaves were stuffed with kasha, buckwheat. It was only in more recent times when rice became available that rice was used.