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The thing I don't understand is why they don't a: Become nuns. b; stop calling themselves Roman Catholic and join the anglican church and perhaps have a shred of dignity. If I was 100% at odds with the church on an issue of such importance I would leave the church, not just pretend everything is hunky dory .

Gender roles are so confused these days it is just madness. Why cant men just be men and women be content with the equal blessing of being a woman?

Because they believe they will change the Church from within...

Here we go again

Oh dear

And some folk are taken in by this

ANNA:

The only problem is that by participating in the ordination ceremony they automatically place themselves outside the Church. There are no parishes where they may serve and it seems that their only visibility is given by the secular media which is itself bent on nothing more than undermining the Church.

The same thing may be said of men. If I were to seek ordination by someone who has not authority in the Catholic Church, I would separate myself immediately from the Church's communion.

BOB

I think that they should have had the ordination tonight instead of tomorrow.

Hey folks, I was being sarcastic...

It a funny thing to appeal to conscience for being disobedient to the Churches Teaching, now lets see what else I've heard that in relation to, oh yeah homosexuality and support of gay marriage.
Oh! But they are just following their conscience.
Stephanos I

Theophan: exactly! These women now belong to the wild, woolly world of vagante sects and are not 'Roman Catholic women priests'; 'Roman Catholic not recognised by Rome' is an impossibility. If not for the propaganda value of stabbing Rome the media sensibly wouldn't take them seriously (the same reason the media pay any attention to the Episcopal Church: besides now-gone social-class clout, it looks sort of like Rome but says what they want to hear).

There's already crossover between these folk and old dissenter nuns (who invite them to speak or even have services).

The reason these types don't become Episcopalians is ethnic/class loyalty real or imagined. They don't like Episcopal high churchmanship (which looks more like what you and I do in church, nice vestments, chant, incense and all, than these dissenters' services or mainstream RC ones). In other words the culturally ethnic Irish (white RC culture in America) hate the English more than they hate the Pope so they stay or in this case delude themselves that they're staying and 'working for change'.

Do they have any relationship with this sect?

http://www.orthodoxcatholicchurch.org

they call themselves Orthodox catholic but ordain women and gays. There's an American man (who can't be called priest) who established a "radically inclusive mission" in Mexico.

ANNA;

Actually you're closer to the truth than you know. There are those inside the Church who openly admit that they'd have left long ago but they think they can radically change it by staying and remaining disobedient. It's a Church version of massive civil disobedience: they can't excommunicate us all--or so goes the thinking. I come by this first-hand by people who've said this in front of me.

BOB

TYF:

The other thing that comes to mind is this. Irregular ordinations mean no Mysteries/Sacraments. So as one very old book I have that contrasts Catholicism with Protestantism: they can stand all day and pray over bread, wine, or grape juice, but they will never change any of it into the Body, Blood, Soul, and Divinity of Our Lord, God, and Savior, Jesus Christ.

Now where my training comes in--this type of attempt is gross blasphemy. It amounts to artolatry. How will they explain this to Christ when it's any one of them and Him face-to-face?

Shudder.

BOB

Mexican:

Same game (the vagante thing), different group.

It all boils down to what sin generally boils down to,
worshipping someone other than God. The other "someone" is
usually ourselves.

We must pray for these silly, dreary people and the fool
journalists who so love to puff them.

Edmac

This coverage from Cleveland is not bad. Usually the media go in for bad journalism, sensationalism to stab the Roman Church. Blaring headine: 'Local woman to be ordained Roman Catholic priest'. Ten lines into the article: 'Not recognised by the Vatican'. But this article sticks to the truth.

Note the age group this appeals to: