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On October 25, 2008, delegates to the Congress Of Carpathian Ruthenians declared the formation of the Republic of Carpathian Ruthenia. The Svoboda Party released following statement: "Zakarpattian separatists led by Moscow Patriarchate priest Sidor are issuing an ultimatum to the Ukrainian authorities today. Tomorrow, armed with Russian passports and money from the Kremlin, they will implement the `Georgian scenario' in Ukraine." The party called on President Viktor Yuschenko and Prime Minister Yulia Tymoshenko to issue a political assessment of the actions in Zakarpattia and the Crimea, called on the National Security and Defense Council to draft a plan for preventing separatist actions, and called the Foreign Affairs Ministry to declare all the citizens that participated in the October 25 congress as persona non grata in Ukraine[2]. The prosecutor's office of Zakarpattia region has filed a case against priest Dmytro Sidor and Yevhen Zhupan, an Our Ukraine deputy of the Zakarpattia regional council and chairman of the People's Council of Ruthenians, on charges of encroaching on theterritorial integrity and inviolability of Ukraine. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Carpathian_Rutheniahttp://zik.com.ua/en/news/2008/10/28/155535http://en.for-ua.com/news/2008/11/06/115023.htmlhttp://intermedia.org.ua/en/articles/36711
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think that soon Madyarshchyna will support us (Hungary - ed.) I don't doubt that for a second - Hungary held Transcarpathia for centuries, got it temporarily during World War II, and still covets it. What puzzles me is the strange alliance between the Moscow Patriarchate and the Budapest government. We live and learn. Fr. Serge
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Well, Fr. Sidor is in this one alone--almost all other Rusyn organizations have washed their hands of this effort.
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This Fr. Sydor seems to be a lone duck in the area. I notice that some Russians in the USA seem to support him. That is the Russians who refuse to face reality that Ukraine is finally free from Russian domination.
Also that Ukrainians exist as a distict ethnic group and not as "Little Russians."
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Taras Bulba was not a little anything! Metropolitan Andrew was not easily overlooked either, and they had to have a special throne made that would hold him in his later years.
Maybe we should start a fashion of calling the Muscovites "Little Ukrainians", and see how they like it!
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Ja Rusyn byl jesm'y buda--I was, am and will be Rusyn. Those are the words of Alexander Duchnovic, a Rusyn priest who is considered to be one of the first to try to raise Rusyn awareness among Rusyns. I'm Rusyn on both sides and can trace it back to the late 1700's. I am very proud to be Rusyn.
Having said that, I do NOT condone violence to create a free Rusyn state! The Ukrainians have not done anything to warrant violence against them. Having just commemorated the 75th Anniversary of the Genocide in the Ukraine, there is nothing my Rusyn brothers can point to and say "THIS is what the Ukrainians are doing to us that we feel violence is warranted." Absolutely nothing.
I hope the threats are just bluster and sword rattling. I can see Russia trying to get in and loosen Ukraine's grip on land so they can try to get it for themselves--let's face it, Putin is not doing anything in Georgia because he feels for the Georgian people--he has his own agenda. He has his own agenda for Rusyns. And it won't be good for us in the long run.
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Ja Rusyn byl jesm'y buda--I was, am and will be Rusyn. Those are the words of Alexander Duchnovic, a Rusyn priest who is considered to be one of the first to try to raise Rusyn awareness among Rusyns. I'm Rusyn on both sides and can trace it back to the late 1700's. I am very proud to be Rusyn.
Having said that, I do NOT condone violence to create a free Rusyn state! The Ukrainians have not done anything to warrant violence against them. Having just commemorated the 75th Anniversary of the Genocide in the Ukraine, there is nothing my Rusyn brothers can point to and say "THIS is what the Ukrainians are doing to us that we feel violence is warranted." Absolutely nothing.
I hope the threats are just bluster and sword rattling. I can see Russia trying to get in and loosen Ukraine's grip on land so they can try to get it for themselves--let's face it, Putin is not doing anything in Georgia because he feels for the Georgian people--he has his own agenda. He has his own agenda for Rusyns. And it won't be good for us in the long run.
Tim Tim, It would turn into 1939 all over again , with everyone losing. Ung
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You are absolutely right, Ung-Certez. Only I fear this could be worse. Although Putin is not as bad as Stalin, and we don't have an Adolph Hitler running around putting more pressure on the situation. But not matter how you slice it, everyone loses. I enjoyed the article about the Rusyns in the Pittsburgh paper and how the Poloka's said they actually would rather there wasn't an independent Rusyn state. Very interesting.
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It would turn into 1939 all over again , with everyone losing. Since both Hungary and Slovakia covet Transcarpathia, and Ukraine is not about to relinquish her own territory - and obviously Moscow is "interested" - the prospect of a "free Rusyn state" is not a likely one. Meanwhile, it would help to notice that in Poland the claimed Rusyns have lost their homes, property, and land. In Hungary they have been thoroughly Magyarized. In Slovakia, they have been Slovakized (try walking the streets of Preshov and listening for people speaking Rusyn - you hear more Irish spoken in the streets of Dublin). Then take a look at the massive investment of Ukraine in researching Carpatho-Rusyn culture, language, music, and you-name-it. At the risk of appearing dense, Transcarpathia is a beautiful place (I've been there and enjoyed it). Why transform it into a battleground? Fr. Serge
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It would turn into 1939 all over again , with everyone losing. Since both Hungary and Slovakia covet Transcarpathia, and Ukraine is not about to relinquish her own territory - and obviously Moscow is "interested" - the prospect of a "free Rusyn state" is not a likely one. Meanwhile, it would help to notice that in Poland the claimed Rusyns have lost their homes, property, and land. In Hungary they have been thoroughly Magyarized. In Slovakia, they have been Slovakized (try walking the streets of Preshov and listening for people speaking Rusyn - you hear more Irish spoken in the streets of Dublin). Then take a look at the massive investment of Ukraine in researching Carpatho-Rusyn culture, language, music, and you-name-it. At the risk of appearing dense, Transcarpathia is a beautiful place (I've been there and enjoyed it). Why transform it into a battleground?
Fr. Serge Why? Because Hunkies like to fight!  Dobre Notc....
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think that soon Madyarshchyna will support us (Hungary - ed.) I don't doubt that for a second - Hungary held Transcarpathia for centuries, got it temporarily during World War II, and still covets it. What puzzles me is the strange alliance between the Moscow Patriarchate and the Budapest government. We live and learn. Fr. Serge history is a study in irony. just over a half a century ago, Soviet troops stormtrooped into Budapest thus putting down Hungary's revolution (though now the Reds are out everywhere, and good riddance to bad rubbish), gee, have the Hungarians forgotten their history? thought that was only an American stupidity. I am now on record here as supporting Rusyn independence. I do so as a matter of principle, self determination for all peoples any where and every where. Much Love, Jonn
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