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#308037 12/23/08 10:07 PM
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Shlomo Lkhoolkhoon,

I was wondering what the titles were of the different Apostolic Churches? Here is a list of the Maronite Church.

Patriarch
Archbishop
Bishop
Archpriest
Chorbishop
periodeut
Priest
Archdeacon
Deacon
Subdeacon
Reader
Cantor
Lector
Acolyte


Fush BaShlomo Lkhoolkhoon,
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Latin Church:

Pope
Patriarch
Cardinal
Metropolitan
Archbishop
Bishop
Monsignor
Priest
Archdeacon
Deacon
Acolyte
Reader

In Christ,

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Russian Church:

Black Clergy:

Patriarch
Metropolitan
Archbishop
Bishop
Archmandrite
Igumen
Hieromonk
Great Schema Monk / Schimnik
Monk
Rassaphore Monk
Novice / poslushnik

White Clergy:

Protopriest
Archpriest
Priest
Protodeacon
Archdeacon
Deacon
Subdeacon
Reader


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I would shift Archdeacon back up to the Black clergy and just leave Protodeacon for the whites. Just my thoughts here.

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Shlomo Slavipodvizhnik,

Could you explain what are Black Clergy and White Clergy? I have never heard of this, and would find it very interesting.

Fush BaShlomo,
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Originally Posted by Slavipodvizhnik
Russian Church:

Black Clergy:

Patriarch
Metropolitan
Archbishop
Bishop
Archmandrite
Igumen
Hieromonk
Great Schema Monk / Schimnik
Monk
Rassaphore Monk
Novice / poslushnik

White Clergy:

Protopriest
Archpriest
Priest
Protodeacon
Archdeacon
Deacon
Subdeacon
Reader


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Shawn,

Black clergy refers to the monastic clergy; white to the non-monastic - married - clergy.

Many years,

Neil


"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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Shawn,

You may also want to see Archimandrite? Mitred Archpriest? Hegumen?

Many years,

Neil


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Shlomo Neil,

Thank you for the information. I hope that our brothers and sisters in the East Antiochene-Edessan Church, Armenian and Alexandrian Church add to this. This is very interesting.

Fush BaShlomo,
Yuhannon (Shawn)

Originally Posted by Irish Melkite
Shawn,

You may also want to see Archimandrite? Mitred Archpriest? Hegumen?

Many years,

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Hi,

Originally Posted by theophan
Latin Church:

Pope
Patriarch
Cardinal
Metropolitan
Archbishop
Bishop
Monsignor
Priest
Archdeacon
Deacon
Acolyte
Reader


Well, it is rare to find a Latin Metropolitan styled simply as "Metropolitan", they almost always go by "Metropolitan Archbishop" or simply "Archbishop" (there are titular Archbishops who are not Metropolitans, but all Metropolitans are Archbishops by virtue of being the Local Ordinaries of the Archdiocese within their Province).

I was not aware we still used the title of "Archdeacon", do you know where?

What I do know is that, in some places, the title of "Acolyte" was not customary when H.H. Paul VI abolished the minor orders and created the instituted ministries to replace them. In such places, it was allowed to call these ministers "Sub-Deacons", since the new ministry of the Acolyte absorbed the duties of both orders.

In some places, pastors are nornally styled differently than other priests (pastor, curate, etc.).

Of course, this list is restricted only to clergy, because if we included monastics and other religious, we would need to add: Brother, Sister, Prior, Abbot, Abbess, Mother Superior, Provincial, etc.

Shalom,
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An Archdeacon is the ranking deacon of a monastery - Chevetogne, for example, where Father Thaddeus is the current Archdeacon.

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What I do know is that, in some places, the title of "Acolyte" was not customary when H.H. Paul VI abolished the minor orders and created the instituted ministries to replace them.

Memo:

My 1910 catechism lists the four minor orders as Porter, lector, Exorcist, and Acolyte. My first spiritual father once described being instituted in each one as his journey through the seminary in the 1950s progressed. So I'm asking if you'd be so kind as to give for your source for this statement.

Thanks,

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Some of the early colonial clergy here in Australia had the title of Archpriest. There were also a few Canons among them.

The Vatican II Documents explain all about when 'Acolyte' was instituted as a formal 'Ministry' for the RCs. Those Episcopal conferences that wished to continue to use the term 'Sub-deacon' were informed in the same doc that they could do so if they wished. I dont think any of them took up the option.

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Hi,

Originally Posted by theophan
Memo:

My 1910 catechism lists the four minor orders as Porter, lector, Exorcist, and Acolyte. My first spiritual father once described being instituted in each one as his journey through the seminary in the 1950s progressed. So I'm asking if you'd be so kind as to give for your source for this statement.


With pleasure. This was done through the Motu Proprio "Ministeria Quaedam" in 1972 (effective 1973).

You can find an English translation here:

http://www.ewtn.com/library/PAPALDOC/P6MINORS.HTM

In the Latin Church, even though I have received the Ministry of Reader, I am not considered a cleric (yet) and the institution to the ministry is not to be considered an ordination.

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What I do know is that, in some places, the title of "Acolyte" was not customary when H.H. Paul VI abolished the minor orders and created the instituted ministries to replace them.

Memo:

You state that "Acolyte" was not customary in the past. What I stated was that it was part of the minor orders for a long period prior to the Motu Proprio "Ministeria Quaedam" in 1972. So I wondered why you would state that it was not customary prior to 1972. I also stated, from information I received directly from priests instituted in that minor order prior to 1960, that it was a minor order to which seminarians had been instituted--actually tonsured--prior to that time.

I believe that the change amounted to suppressing two minor and one major order--porter, exorcist (as a routine tonsure), and subdeacon--though certain priests are still assigned to be official exorcists.

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What role would the subdeacon have in a Latin church?

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