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Amado, are you implying he could play just as well if he were a Methodist? wink biggrin

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I saw the interception he ran back and he is good. My "little" brother is a die-hard Steelers fan and he told me that even after his knee problems that 43 still runs a 4.3 40!

My question is, does he follow the fasting requirements? I think it would be hard for an elite athlete to forgo all the protein he would need. Invertebrates are no substitute for egg and milk proteins.

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Originally Posted by byzanTN
Amado, are you implying he could play just as well if he were a Methodist? wink biggrin

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No, I'm implying that he would look good in a Chicago Bears uniform! wink

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Call me dense but I fail to see the connection between Troy Polamalu being now an Orthodox Christian and his success as a football player.

He is a great football player and a devout Orthodox Christian.

Oh yeah...and the Steelers will crush Arizona! grin

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Originally Posted by Amadeus
Call me dense but I fail to see the connection between Troy Polamalu being now an Orthodox Christian (less than 2 years) and his success as a football player.

He was already an indispensable part of the Steelers' 2006 Super Bowl Champions even before he converted to Greek Orthodoxy in October 2007, presumably upon the "urging" of his wife, Theodora Holmes, the younger sister of TE Alex Holmes of the Miami Dolphins (now with the St. Louis Rams?) and teammate of Troy at USC. (Hint: Theodora's mother is a full-blooded Greek!)

And he was a budding football player in high school and became very good in college at USC which made him the 16th pick overall in the 2003 NFL Draft by the Steelers. He has made the Pro Bowl already five straight times: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. He is a cinch for the 2009 Pro Bowl.

He has got talent and it shows! Go Cardinals, of Arizona, that is. laugh

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I wouldn't make light of his entrance into Orthodox Christianity. There exists an interview out there with Troy that discusses his faith. In the interview he states he and his wife spend a great deal of time visiting a monastery outside of Pittsburgh. Putting that all aside he's an amazingly talented football player. I can drive the 40 at 4.3 in my car, but never would I run it at that, Go Troy!

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Originally Posted by Amadeus
Call me dense but I fail to see the connection between Troy Polamalu being now an Orthodox Christian (less than 2 years) and his success as a football player.

He was already an indispensable part of the Steelers' 2006 Super Bowl Champions even before he converted to Greek Orthodoxy in October 2007, presumably upon the "urging" of his wife, Theodora Holmes, the younger sister of TE Alex Holmes of the Miami Dolphins (now with the St. Louis Rams?) and teammate of Troy at USC. (Hint: Theodora's mother is a full-blooded Greek!)

And he was a budding football player in high school and became very good in college at USC which made him the 16th pick overall in the 2003 NFL Draft by the Steelers. He has made the Pro Bowl already five straight times: 2004, 2005, 2006, 2007, and 2008. He is a cinch for the 2009 Pro Bowl.

He has got talent and it shows! Go Cardinals, of Arizona, that is. laugh

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Amado-

you're not dense, in fact your comment reminds of a joke-

A rabbi and a priest attend a middleweight prizefight. One of the boxers, a Mexican-American, blesses himself with the sign of the cross. The rabbi then asks the priest, "Father, does that really help?" The priest quickly replied, "Only if he can fight."

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Originally Posted by byzanTN
Amado, are you implying he could play just as well if he were a Methodist? wink biggrin

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No, I'm implying that he would look good in a Chicago Bears uniform! wink

Amado

Ahh! I see! biggrin I happen to be a Cubs fan, myself. Cubs fans are the original eternal optimists. But I also watch the Yankees, as I have since the age of nine.

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Cubs fans are similar to Pirate fans, of which I am still loyal to.

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Cubs fans are similar to Pirate fans, of which I am still loyal to.
Gluttons for disappointment and punishment eh? biggrin

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My question is, does he follow the fasting requirements? I think it would be hard for an elite athlete to forgo all the protein he would need. Invertebrates are no substitute for egg and milk proteins.


I am sure he does practice all the traditions of the church, but he does it humbly, just as we all should do. Not sure if you were saying this tounge and cheek, but we shouldn't judge or question anothers practices, fasting is a very personal thing and is between the person and God.

Oh by the way...Here we go Steelers, here we go!

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Squirrel,

I remember thinking back in the early 70's when the Steelers fired Coach Buddy Dial and Chuck Noll only won one game in his first year... oh no, how many more losing seasons.

The Bucs will rise again!

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It is just awesome to see him bouncing around on the field after accomplishing some task, MAKING THE SIGN OF THE CROSS! Now that is a testimony to God. I just wonder who many people he sends searching for what he does - you know that cross he makes biggrin rofl. Maybe, just maybe, they have learned a bit about faith in Christ through this awesome witness of God's love and joy.

Troy Polamalu: Player with a passion for Jesus
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Pittsburgh Steelers strong safety Troy Polamalu is not an NFL superstar who happens to be a man of faith. He is a man of faith who happens to be an NFL superstar. Troy is a beloved sports figure in Steelers Nation and beyond — but in his heart, he is simply “a Christian with a passion for Jesus.”

Being the most ebullient defensive player on the Steelers’ roster “is not about football, it’s about life,” Polamalu said. “Football gives me confirmation of how I can carry out my faith. It’s my way to glorify God.”

And while he views his team’s 2006 Super Bowl win as “really beautiful and a blessing,” humility shines through when he adds that “success in football doesn’t matter. Success in anything doesn’t matter. As Mother Teresa said, God calls us not to be successful but to be faithful. My prayer is that I would glorify God no matter what, and not have success be the definition of it. If I can be content whether making a big play or getting a touchdown scored on me, then I’d be happy being faithful and not successful.”

Discussing matters of faith is Polamalu’s rendition of entering the Heinz Red Zone. He lights up when asked about his beliefs, and sprinkles his speech with Scripture to define the relevancy of whatever life puts in front of him. Yet, he maintains that “it’s a matter of how I live, not what I say.” Polamalu’s teammates concur. They note that his gift for inspiring others lies less in what he says than who he is.

“Knowing Troy and how he carries himself, he brings light to the team,” said offensive lineman Alan Faneca. “Everybody respects that.” “He’s definitely one of those guys who lead by example,” said quarterback Charlie Batch. “He’s not a talker when he gets out there, but you see the work he does on the field and produces every Sunday. When you put that combination together, yeah, he’s one of those guys that you’re going to follow ... and he doesn’t take for granted that he’s blessed with incredible speed and instinct.”

Troy exudes a gentle, humble spirit, said Father David Bonnar, pastor of St. Bartholomew in Penn Hills, who has celebrated Mass for 10 years before home games with Steelers players and coaches.

“Since his arrival in Pittsburgh, he has been a permanent fixture at Mass. Even with all of the fame and success, Troy remains committed to the Christian faith,” Father Bonnar said. “And if he has changed in any way, he has just become even more humble and spiritual. I have found him to have both the strong contemplative sense of Mary and the fierce active sense of Martha.”

Troy’s upbringing in a Christian family of Samoan heritage provided an initial base for the belief that serves him so astutely in and out of the huddle. Born in Santa Ana, Calif., the youngest of five children, and raised in Tenmile, Ore., he attended Catholic grade school and was steeped in the Polynesian culture of reverence for family, church and personal honor.

His childhood was not absent of struggle, however; Polamalu’s constant lifeline was prayer. He returned to California in 1999 as a freshman for the University of Southern California Trojans and, on graduation, was drafted by the Steelers.

In person, he is serene, polite, contemplative — a far pass from his on-field image as one of the league’s most maniacal players. While some people speculate about his “split personality,” he explains that it’s two sides of the same Troy.

“I believe that I’m the same person on and off the field. I live my life with a passion and that includes how I play. Obviously, football calls for physical contact, but that’s just part of the game.”

To illustrate, he offers Jesus’ time on earth as an example.

“Look at the passion for life that he lived as portrayed in the Stations of the Cross — that fight that he had in him, as well as the love he shared with others. There’s no difference.”

Indeed, what sets Troy apart is his knack for keeping love at the center of his sport.

“Football, in general, has it backwards,” he said. “They think this inner anger, this hatred, is what drives football and becomes the physical aspect of the game. But love overcomes all things. My love to glorify God through my playing will far outweigh anybody’s hate for me.”

Like all of us, Troy has times of vulnerability and doubt — which is, in part, why he makes the sign of the cross before or after some plays. “I’m asking for God’s support in those moments — and in everything I do.”

Referring to Paul’s Letter to the Hebrews, Troy defines faith — particularly when we fumble in life — in a word: surrender. “It’s knowing in your heart that God will take care of you — which might mean going head-over-heels into a situation having 1 percent for you and 99 percent against you. We all have to struggle to overcome our adversities, no matter how long we’re in the desert.”

One such time was during his second year in the NFL. Coming off his previous rookie year in 2003 as the Steelers’ 16th draft pick — hardly playing, and not playing well when he did — he was miserable.

“I really questioned my life and my manhood. ... That second year, I played against my college roommate, Carson Palmer (quarterback for the Cincinnati Bengals), in the third game of the season. They were getting ready to score. I had the ball in my hand and dropped it with 80 yards to go and no one in front of me. I thought, ‘man, there went my chance to make everybody happy, to get all these doubters off of me.’ I was so angry and frustrated that I started crying on the sidelines. I sat there with my head in my hands, crying as I was praying. Then I heard a song blaring from the public-address system: Los Lonely Boys singing, ‘Lord, take me from this prison, I want to get away.’”

Something shifted.

“Just like that, I felt everything was going to be great.”

Later in that game, Troy intercepted a pass from Palmer and ran 26 yards for a touchdown with little more than two minutes left in the game. “You better believe I was on the ground, saying, ‘Thank you, God, thank you!’ That’s one of the many ways he has revealed himself to me.”

This and other instances of divine intervention have given Troy confirmation of God’s presence in his life. One experience that sticks with him most vividly is when he and his wife, Theodora, attended Mass in the basilica on the campus of St. Vincent College before the start of his first-ever training camp. As they knelt before the altar and felt inclined to touch their foreheads on its cool, emerald-marble floor, Troy glanced upward to connect with the crucifix hanging overhead.

“Man, it was so beautiful, so powerful,” he said. “Church was just emptying out. We sat silently in a pew. A few moments passed. We looked up. Light was shining through the stained-glass window right on us — and ONLY on us. Sitting there with Theodora in that stream of sunlight, I just burst into tears, I was so overcome.”

This, from an NFL star who has his A-game going on. Twice being named to the Pro Bowl and winning Super Bowl XL didn’t elicit such deep emotion. Knowing Troy and his devotion to Jesus, one gets the impression that nothing ever will.
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Our oldest son points out to everyone that the year he was born the Steelers won a superbowl, and his cousins were born the Steelers won Superbowls, his son was born, Steelers won. Well his daughter was born in 2008 - so he says there is no way they can loose. It is a sure thing. Go Steelers!

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My question is, does he follow the fasting requirements? I think it would be hard for an elite athlete to forgo all the protein he would need. Invertebrates are no substitute for egg and milk proteins.


I am sure he does practice all the traditions of the church, but he does it humbly, just as we all should do. Not sure if you were saying this tounge and cheek, but we shouldn't judge or question anothers practices, fasting is a very personal thing and is between the person and God.

Oh by the way...Here we go Steelers, here we go!

Actually, it was a serious question about sports physiology.

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Dr Eric,

I do think you are very much out of line here. First of all any discussion on Troy Polamalu's (or for that matter anyone else's fasting practices) would be speculative at best. This is a matter that I am sure has been thoroughly discussed with his spiritual father, the team physician, and the management of his team. Fasting for the most part as far as Orthodox Christians are concerned is a private and intimate spiritual exercise. How each would observe fasting is a matter for the person fasting and his spiritual father since it is a personal spiritual struggle, and is really is the business of no one else.

I do hope this now closes this matter from any further public discussion. As a physician, if you are really inclined to know from a professional point of view, I would suggest you consult with your sports medicine colleagues for their opinion.

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