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As someone else was Patriarch in between the times he was on the throne. He would be Peter the 2nd, or "the Fuller".
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Are there any liturgical differences between West Syriac and East Syriac?
congratulations to the new Patriarch of Antioch !
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Shlomo Latin Catholic, You forgot the daddy of the West Syriac Churches, we Maronites. Also, while your post is quite right, the Maronite Church in recent times is permitting the use of the Qorbono of Addai and Mari. Fush BaShlomo, Yuhannon
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Sorry Yuhannon. I knew there was something missing!  Interesting to hear about your use of the Liturgy of Addai and Mari, too. Do you use a version with the Words of Institution interpolated, or a version without?
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LC,
The Liturgy of Holy Addai & Mari without the Words of Institution is not presently permitted to the Catholic Chaldeans, so it's unlikely that the Maronites would be allowed to use it in that form.
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Neil, you may well be right, but there is a very interesting document of the Pontifical Council for Promoting Christian Unity called " Guidelines [ vatican.va] for admission to the Eucharist between the Chaldean Church and the Assyrian Church of the East" from 2001. This document notes that: A long and careful study was undertaken of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, from a theological, liturgical and historical perspective, at the end of which the Congregation for the Doctrine of Faith on January 17th, 2001 concluded that this Anaphora can be considered valid. Pope John Paul II subsequently approved this decision. The document recounts three arguments for the validity of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari without an interpolation of the Words of Institution: In the first place, the Anaphora of Addai and Mari is one of the most ancient Anaphoras, dating back to the time of the very early Church; it was composed and used with the clear intention of celebrating the Eucharist in full continuity with the Last Supper and according to the intention of the Church; its validity was never officially contested, neither in the Christian East nor in the Christian West. Secondly, the Catholic Church recognises the Assyrian Church of the East as a true particular Church, built upon orthodox faith and apostolic succession. The Assyrian Church of the East has also preserved full Eucharistic faith in the presence of our Lord under the species of bread and wine and in the sacrificial character of the Eucharist. In the Assyrian Church of the East, though not in full communion with the Catholic Church, are thus to be found "true sacraments, and above all, by apostolic succession, the priesthood and the Eucharist" ( Unitatis Redintegratio [ vatican.va], n. 15). Finally, the words of Eucharistic Institution are indeed present in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, not in a coherent narrative way and ad litteram, but rather in a dispersed euchological way, that is, integrated in successive prayers of thanksgiving, praise and intercession. Thus, it seems to me that the proper authorities in the Maronite and Chaldean Churches could, if they so wanted, permit the use of the Anaphora of Addai and Mari without an interpolation of the Words of Institution. Therefore, I would be very interested in hearing from Yuhannon about current Maronite practice.
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LC, I'm aware of the Guidelines but, note the following text from them: 2. In both cases, Assyrian and Chaldean ministers celebrate the Holy Eucharist according to the liturgical prescriptions and customs of their own tradition.
3. When Chaldean faithful are participating in an Assyrian celebration of the Holy Eucharist, the Assyrian minister is warmly invited to insert the words of the Institution in the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, as allowed by the Holy Synod of the Assyrian Church of the East. And, given the conservatism of the Maronites, they're less likely than anyone else to take such a "drastic" step. Many years, Neil
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Neil,
I guess you're right, especially since Catholics (as well as Orthodox) expect the Words of Institution to be part of the eucharistic liturgy. Any change in this would certainly require very careful catechesis to avoid any confusion or scandal.
Ad multos annos!
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Yuhannon,
The Maronite Church still uses the ancient Anaphora of St. Peter (or Shara) that is described in the texts of history of the liturgy being as older as the one of Addai and Mari?
and how much the reform of the Maronite Liturgy in the last 30 years has modified such ancient anaphoras?
Thanks
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Hi Here is a good article by H.E. Mar Sarhad Yawsip Jammo on the Anaphora of Addai and Mari, in comparison with the Anaphora of Peter III: http://kaldu.org/3_chaldean_culture/TheAnaphora_ApostlesAddai_Mari.htmlGod bless, Rony P.S. God bless the new Patriarch of the Syriac Catholic Church!
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Brother Yuhannon,
I had a question regarding the Liturgy of Mor Petros (Mar Shara), how is the name "Shara" related to Peter?
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Michael Thoma, If I may add my input on your question, the word Sharrar/Sharar means: establish, or strengthen, or some other related word. It comes from the opening of the anaphora. There is no semantic relation to the word Peter. By the way, here is a fun exercise 1. Go to this site for an Aramaic Lexicon and Concordance program: http://www.peshitta.org 2. Click on: Tools 3. Click on: Lexicon 4. Type in the following: rr4 5. Click on this button: Aramaic word 6. Click on: Search You will get the listing for Sharar. The rr4 above means resh(r), resh(r), and sheen(4), the Aramaic letters that makeup the word Sharar. Just my two cents. Hope this helps.  God bless, Rony
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Installation of Syrian-Catholic Patriarch Ignace Joseph III (Ephrem) Younan took place on Febr. 15, 2009 in the Church of the Annunciation in Beirut Here some photos: www.sykakerk.nl [ sykakerk.nl] I've no idea of the rite. Someone can explain it?
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Thanks for posting the pictures - I enjoyed seeing them!
Fr. Serge
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