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It's not just Jews, however, who suffer at the hands of Hamas. Getting far less media attention is the situation facing 3,000 Christians who live inside the Gaza strip. Following the Hamas coup in Gaza, a radical sheikh, Abu Sakir announced, "'I expect our Christian neighbors to understand the new Hamas rule means real changes. They must be ready for Islamic rule if they want to live in peace in Gaza.'" Months ago I had a conversation with two Gazan Christians, who had fled their homes and were hiding out in the West Bank while hoping for asylum elsewhere. Their stories exposed the dangers Christian families face under Hamas, including extortion, rape, beatings and murder.

http://www.jewishworldreview.com/0109/christian_gaza.php3

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I humbly, politely and earnestly ask you to PLEASE - please stop your Zionist propaganda!

If you want to promote peace and love and charity, do continue, but this sort of propaganda (which although might have very thin line of truth) collapses under the Truth that Christians of the Holy Land have been and are losing their children - and it's not only the hand of Hamas that is botching.

Follows is a letter from Father Manuel Musallam, A dear Shepherd in Gaza - the letter is in Arabic, I am sorry, I will not translate it at the moment as I am overwhelmed with work (maybe one of my dear friends here can translate a few lines) ... But to sum it up - He does not mention Hamas - his pain isn't because of them.

رسالة من قلب الوجع الى ضمير كل انسان
الأب منويل مسلم، راعي كنيسة اللاتين في غزة

من كنيسة الله في غزة، إلى القديسين المحبوبين في فلسطين والعالم، نعمة ربنا يسوع المسيح ومحبة الله وشركة الروح القدس معكم جميعا.


من وادي الدموع، من غزة الغارقة في دمائها، تلك الدماء التي خنقت الفرح في قلوب مليون ونصف ساكن، أرسل إليكم كلمة الإيمان والرجاء هذه. أما كلمة المحبة فهي سجينة حتى في حلوقنا نحن المسيحيين فلا نجسر حتى قولها لأنفسنا. وكهنة الكنيسة اليوم يرفعون فضيلة الرجاء راية، ليرحمنا الله ويشفق علينا ويُبقي له بَقية في غزة ولا يطفئ سراج مسيحه الذي أضاءه الشماس فيلبس في بدء الكنيسة. وليكون حنان المسيح هو الذي ينعش حبنا لله وان كان الآن يمرّ في "غرف الإنعاش".

واني انعي إليكم من قلب الأب والراعي ابنتنا، ابنة مدرستنا في العائلة المقدسة، العزيزة المرحومة المسيحية الأولى التي تموت في الحرب: كرستين وديع الترك، من الصف العاشر الأساسي، التي توفيت صباح هذا اليوم السبت 2-1-2009 من جراء الخوف والبرد. فالشبابيك في بيتها مفتحة لحماية الأطفال من الزجاج المتناثر، والصواريخ تمرّ من فوق بيتها، والقصف يصيب جيرانها، فيهتزّ كل كيانها رعباً. لم تتحمل كل ذلك، فذهبت تشكو أمرها لخالقها وتطلب عنده بيتا وملجأ حيث لا بكاء ولا صراخ ولا نحيب بل فرح وسعادة.

إخوتنا في المسيح يسوع

ما ترونه على شاشات التلفاز وما تسمعونه ليس كل الحقيقة المؤلمة التي يمر بها شعبنا في غزة. لا يستطيع التلفاز ولا الراديو نقل كل الحقيقة لاتساعها على أرضنا. فحصار غزة المرير تحول إلى إعصار يتنامى كل ساعة حتى أصبح جريمة حرب بل جريمة ضد الإنسانية. وان كان شعب غزة اليوم يقدم مأساته إلى محكمة ضمير كل إنسان "فيه المسرة"، فإن الزمان الآتي هو زمن محكمة الله العادلة.

أطفال غزة مع ذويهم ينامون في ممرات البيت إن وجدت أو غرف التواليت والحمامات لحمايتهم. يرتجفون من الخوف عند كل صوت وحركة وقصف، القصف العنيف من طائرات ف 16.

صحيح أن الطائرات تستهدف حتى الآن في أكثر طلعاتها المقرات الرئيسة للحكومة وحماس ولكن جميع هذه المقرات بين بيوت الناس لا تبعد عنها أكثر من 6 أمتار وهي الارتداد القانوني للبناء. لذلك فإن بيوت الناس تتضرر ضرراً كبيراً ويموت أطفال كثيرون بسبب ذلك. فأطفالنا يعيشون حالة "التروما" والرعب وهم مرضى من هذا ومن غيره مثل نقص الغذاء وسوء التغذية والفقر والبرد...

وان المآسي التي تحدث في المستشفيات فحدث عنها ولا حرج. هذه المستشفيات لم يكن فيها الاسعاف الاولي قبل الحرب والان يتدفق عليها الاف الجرحى والمرضى والحوادث حتى انهم يجرون العمليات في ممرات المستشفيات ويرسلون كثيرا منهم الى معبر رفح الى مصر فمن يعبر منهم قد لا يعود فهم يموتون في الطريق وحالة الشعب في المستشفيات مرعبة ومحزنة تشبه الهستيريا.

واحب ان اورد لكم قصة صغيرة في المستشفى حصلت مع عائلة عبد اللطيف. فقد اختفى احد ابنائها اثناء القصف الاول وبحث عنه اهله ولم يجدوه في اليوم الاول والثاني للحرب. وفي اليوم الثالث اثناء تجول العائلة في المستشفى وجدوا اسرة من عائلة جرادة تحيط باحد ابنائها الجريح المشوه. هذا الجريح قطعت احدى ساقيه. وجه هذا الجريح كان مشوها ليس بسبب اصابته من الطائرات ولكن بسبب سقوط الزجاج عليه وهو في المستشفى بعد ان قصفت الطائرات جزءا منه. تقدمت اسرة عبد اللطيف لتواسي عائلة جرادة وحين اقتربوا من الجريح اكتشف السيد عبد اللطيف ان الجريح ابنه وليس ابن عائلة جرادة. ووسط الخلاف العائلي انتظروا ان يستيقظ الجريح ليقول اسمه وتأخذه عائلته "عبد اللطيف" من عائلة جرادة التي كانت تحيط به.. هكذا

اختصر رسالتي اليكم برفع معاناتنا الى الله واليكم. فشعبنا في غزة يعامَل معاملة حيوانات في حديقة حيوانات، ياكل ولا يشبع ويبكي ولا احد يمسح دموعه. لا ماء ولا كهرباء ولا غذاء وخوف ورعب وحصار... البارحة رفض المخبز ان يعطيني خبزا. والسبب ان الرجل رفض ان يطعمنى من طحين لا يليق بالانسان لئلا يحتقر كهنوتي. فقد فرغ الطحين الجيد عنده واصبح يقدم ما يتوفر لديه من طحين غير لائق بالانسان. اما انا فاقسمت الا آكل خبزا طيلة هذه الحرب.

نريد منكم ان ترفعوا الى الله صلواتكم الحارة المتواصلة والا يقام قداس او خدمة الا وتذكرون امام الله معاناة غزة. انا ارسل رسائل قصيرة الى ابنائنا من الكتاب المقدس لرفع حرارة الرجاء في قلوبهم. وقد اتفقنا ان نصلي جميعنا في راس كل ساعة هذه الصلاة: يا رب السلام امطر علينا السلام يا رب السلام امنح بلادنا السلام. ارحم يا رب ارحم شعبك ولا تسخط عيلنا الى الابد. فارجوكم ان تقفوا الان وترنموها معنا.

صلواتكم معنا تحرك العالم كله وتعلمه بان اية محبة تتوقف في الطريق ولا تصل الى اخوتكم في غزة هي ليست من محبة المسيح والكنيسة. محبة المسيح والكنيسة لا تعترف بالعوائق السياسية والاجتماعية والحروب وغير ذلك. حين تصل محبتكم الينا تُشْعرنا بأننا في غزة جزء لا يتجزأ من كنيسة المسيح الواحدة الجامعة المقدسة وان اخوتنا المسلمين بيننا اهلنا وقدرنا، لنا ما لهم وعلينا ما عليهم نحن شعب فلسطين.

وفي وسط كل ذلك لا يزال شعبنا في غزة يرفض الحرب وسيلة للسلام ويؤكد ان طريق السلام هو السلام. واننا في غزة صابرون وفي عيوننا قرار: "بين العبودية والموت لا خيار لنا". نحن نريد ان نحيا لنسبح الرب في فلسطين ونشهد للمسيح ونريد ان نحيا لفلسطين لا ان نموت من اجلها ولكن ان فرض علينا الموت فلن نموت الا شرفاء شجعان اقوياء.

نحن ننضم اليكم في صلواتكم ليعطينا السيد المسيح سلامه الحقيقي "فيَسكُنُ الذِّئبُ مع الحَمَل وَيربِضُ النَّمِرُ مع الجَدْيِ ويَعلِفُ العِجلُ والشِّبلُ معاً وصَبِيٌّ صَغيرٌ يَسوقُهما".

وسلام المسيح، ذاك السلام الذي اليه دعيتم لتكونوا جسدا واحدا يكون مع جميعكم ويحميكم. آمين

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Please - do pray for Christians in the Holy Land, God listens and His mercy is beyond our conception...

Those who wish to help further, please do PM me.

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حبيبي ايلي شكرا الك.

I`m glad you could get me the original Arabic. The English translation can be found here:

http://www.zenit.org/article-24842?l=english

And on my part, I would like to show this video. I hope it moves people`s hearts.


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The terrible situation of the Christians in the entire Middle East is a "simple" matter of an unholy alliance between Moslems and Zionists, both of whom want the Christians out of the Middle East, preferably to Europe. The consideration that Christians have been continuously in the Middle East since the time of Christ makes no difference. The indifference of Christians in other parts of the world to the fate of our brothers in Christ in Christ's own homeland is incredible.

What is going on is not even a secret - the information is readily available to those who care. But most Christians simply close their eyes to the facts.

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Father Serge,

I respond to you with trepidation not only because of your knowledge and not only because you are a priest but mainly because I've never disagreed with you before. Perhaps I will put it this way: "What evidence do you have that those who believe that Jews should be left alone to live their lives demonstrate that I and we do not grieve over the plight of Christians in the Middle East?" That's a good place to start I should think.

For other posters: Could you explain to me the concepts of "dar al Islam" and "dar al harb"? Is Dhimmitude a Christian friendly concept?

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Originally Posted by carson daniel lauffer
For other posters: Could you explain to me the concepts of "dar al Islam" and "dar al harb"? Is Dhimmitude a Christian friendly concept?

CDL


Sarcastic ... very much sarcastic and rude indeed!
You hold one sword on your own brothers' necks, and ask them to define the sword ye hold in your other hand.

Not only will I consider your approach a personal insult against the innocent blood of my brothers who fell lately due to the inhumanity of those whom you support - But I will also consider your approach an insult to generation of Christian blood in the Holy Land that was shed by all parties alike and supported by the indifferent 'christians' who care more for their political views than the agony of those who preserved the footsteps of Christ with their own bodies.


Go - May God bless you - But please do not claim that your blood sticks to our bones.

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Originally Posted by eli
Sarcastic ... very much sarcastic and rude indeed!
You hold one sword on your own brothers' necks, and ask them to define the sword ye hold in your other hand.

Not only will I consider your approach a personal insult against the innocent blood of my brothers who fell lately due to the inhumanity of those whom you support - But I will also consider your approach an insult to generation of Christian blood in the Holy Land that was shed by all parties alike and supported by the indifferent 'christians' who care more for their political views than the agony of those who preserved the footsteps of Christ with their own bodies.


Go - May God bless you - But please do not claim that your blood sticks to our bones.

I consider your approach very insulting to me and to all who consider it unjust that Jewish people should be allowed to live in peace or to live at all and who would attempt to paint me with the brush of the blood shed by all Christians in the middle East. I pray for you and your plight but you will make no friends with me by accusing me of heartlessness or of not caring for my brothers and sisters of the Christian faith.

You don't know me nor do you know what I have done. So keep your snide sarcastic remarks to yourself.

CDL

BTW I believe that the best solution for the Jews after WWII would not have been to kill them all, which seems to be the solution some would wish, but rather to divide Germany and give half of it to the Jews. Sadly, that did not happen.

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My brothers Eli and Dan:

I fear that this has gotten out of hand. For the love of our great Lord God and Savior Jesus Christ, I urge you to forgive each other and be reconciled as brothers in Christ.

Sincerely,

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Uhh please.
Don't you even dare and raise the "anti-Semitic" flag on me. In case you have forgotten - I am Semitic. How dare you even suggest I believe that what happened to Jews in WWII was right in any possible way?
I have more Jewish brothers than number of Jews you will ever meet in a Lifetime.

You have no idea at all - You know me not!

I said nothing of Jews' rights to live in peace - OF COURSE they do! And I think my certificates on the wall for activism for co-existence and peace stand witness to who I am.

But Christians of this land are being hammered here by all sides, and you sit there on your comfortable coach in far away Illinois picking sides to your comfort but but have forgotten the important third side - the side of Christians of the Holy Land, and you insult me with your mockery rubbing salt of persecution into deep wounds - and expect me to shut up and let it pass?

NO SIR! I will express my pain and agony Till My Lord Answers- and I will not show any sympathy or understanding to the unjust things and cruel attitude towards me and my Brothren in the Holy Land.

So you can keep your propaganda and biased opinions to yourself!

Those who have their hands in water will never understand those whom hands are on fire.

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Eli, Carson:

Please stop!! Try to look at this through the eyes of Christ.

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In my eyes, I believe that we are messengers of peace not war.

I live and suffer all the agonies of persecution in the Holy Land proudly and peacefully (I have been cursed, threatened, beaten and attacked, spat at and what not solely because I am a Christian). I don't need to take sides as neither case is righteous - and all I am left to do is simply try and spread light and peace around. I do that by not taking sides and by showing the human side of each party.
Don't get me wrong - I am not complaining nor am I asking for pity.

But I cannot, and will not, tolerate the mockery of my own.

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Originally Posted by eli
In my eyes, I believe that we are messengers of peace not war.

I live and suffer all the agonies of persecution in the Holy Land proudly and peacefully (I have been cursed, threatened, beaten and attacked, spat at and what not solely because I am a Christian). I don't need to take sides as neither case is righteous - and all I am left to do is simply try and spread light and peace around. I do that by not taking sides and by showing the human side of each party.
Don't get me wrong - I am not complaining nor am I asking for pity.

But I cannot, and will not, tolerate the mockery of my own.

My Brother in Christ:

I can not begin to understand what you and your people are going through except perhaps on an intellectual level. We get our news through the only sources that are available and as usual those sources do not give us the full story thus our perception becomes skewed or not informed of the reality in the Middle East.

I will e-mail or PM you as I have the time. There is a lot that I am thinking about right now regarding the mess in Palestine. In the meantime you have my prayers.

In Christ:
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to respond to Carson's question:
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"What evidence do you have that those who believe that Jews should be left alone to live their lives demonstrate that I and we do not grieve over the plight of Christians in the Middle East?"

I'm not quite sure what this means - and I don't wish to be the fool who marches in where angels fear to tread. But I believe you are an honest man and that, on that basis, I owe you an answer. So I shall make a preliminary effort.

Archbishop Joseph (Raya), of most holy memory, was (and is) one of the dearest friends of my entire life and my spiritual father into the bargain. He was faced with unceasing trouble from people who could not deal with the reality that defending the rights of Palestinian Arabs meant seeking to massacre Jews. We were once driving from Haifa to Nazareth, when His Eminence suddenly slowed down (and a good thing too!) and indicated to me two villages which were unoccupied. They had both been Christian villages and had taken no part in any resistance movement to the establishment of the Jewish State. Nevertheless, the Zionist Army moved out the inhabitants by force, with a promise that they could return in a matter of days. They have never been allowed to return, despite a ruling in their favor from the Supreme Court (since the Zionist State has no Constitution, the decisions of the Supreme Court cannot be enforced). These two villages are not unique. How many Christians - other than Arab Christians - do anything about it, or are even aware of it?

You write that "Jews should be left alone to live their lives". Well, of course they should be - and so should everyone else, including Christians. Have a look at the statistics on the Christian population of Palestine at the end of World War II, and the Christian population of Palestine now. Clearly, something terrible has happened. Again, how many Christians - other than Arab Christians - are even aware of this blood drain, let alone willing to do something about it? This question can be addressed particularly to American Christians, since without the support of the American Government, the Zionist State could not and would not survive.

Do Christians in other parts of the world - particularly America - grieve over the plight of Christians in the Middle East? Sadly, I really don't know - because if they do grieve, they are remarkably quiet about it. This grieves me particularly, since in 1948 the Greek-Catholic presence in the Archdiocese of Galilee was quite strong. So it becomes a question of "if you grieve for the Christians in the Middle East, take appropriate action! Tears do not help."

What can be done? Well, it would be nice, for instance, to see regular supplies of medical necessities going to the Christians from the Christians, if you see what I mean. It would be nice to see parishes twinning with parishes in the Middle East, both to send practical help and to encourage the development of lasting friendships. It would be particularly encouraging to see pilgrimages to the Holy Places which made a strong part of the program spending significant amounts of time with the indigenous Christian communities. You may be assured of a joyful welcome.

Much of my conviction in the matter comes from first-hand observations: I have spent time in Egypt, Palestine, Lebanon, Syria, and Turkey, taking good care to meet with the Christians in those countries. The number of Christians from Western Europe and the USA who show such interest is, alas, miniscule.

Does the "State of Israel" have any legitimate reason to be there? And can this question even be discussed without at once facing accusations of ambitions to kill the Jews, throw all the Jews into the sea, or whatever?

Assuming that it can be discussed, first of all, one could do worse than to begin with some research on the original UN decision which is taken to legitimize the project (cf. Lilienthal, What Price Israel?) Then one might discuss the underlying assumption that the Nazi atrocities against the Jews somehow justifies Zionist atrocities against Arabs - the logic of this is hard to follow.

But it simply is not self-evident that because the Romans 2,000 years ago conquered the Jews of the time, the Jews of the twentieth century have some sort of obligation and right to move to Palestine. [I would, however, accept the point that people who were born in Palestine, regardless of what religion they adhere to or do not adhere to, have a natural right to live there.] Making this claim while simultaneously driving out the inhabitants of Palestine and denying them any right to return, while using all manner of tactics to bring members of one specific ethno-religious group to settle in Palestine and continue to take land which is not theirs is more than anyone should expect the Palestinians to accept.

This is already a long post, and it will have to do for a starter.

Fr. Serge


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