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Addressing the incense-filled gathering earlier, Kirill had made a strident call for church unity and urged the faithful to resist Protestant and Catholic proselytizing, dampening hopes of a transformation in poisonous ties with Rome. This is nothing. Kirill has spent much of his life as bishop building cordial relations with Catholics and Protestants. Of course he has to make noises like these: it is clear that there is a small but solid bloc of Church traditionalists opposed to him precisely because of his cordiality with the Vatican and, with the Diomid case still fresh in the minds of most, he has no choice but to alleviate their fears. Retreat in order to advance. Even Pope Benedict XVI spent his first 18 months in office that way.
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This is nothing. Kirill has spent much of his life as bishop building cordial relations with Catholics and Protestants. Of course he has to make noises like these: it is clear that there is a small but solid bloc of Church traditionalists opposed to him precisely because of his cordiality with the Vatican and, with the Diomid case still fresh in the minds of most, he has no choice but to alleviate their fears.
Retreat in order to advance. Even Pope Benedict XVI spent his first 18 months in office that way. I would not go so far as to call us a "small bloc". We actually represent the the overwhelming majority. Unfortunately, the choices presented provided little option. Not to say that Vladika Patriarch Kirill is in any way a bad man, or ill suited for leadership. On the contrary, he has a proven leadership record. If only he were a bit more "hard" as it were, and less of a politician. The good that could come out of his leadership could be renewed cooperation with Rome in combating the moral decay so prevalent in the 21'st century. My concerns lie more with the "so called" Ecumenical talks. What is needed is a St Mark of Ephesus, not a Henry Kissinger. Just my 2 kopechki... Alexandr
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Oh, lest I forget! Eis Pola Eti Despota!
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Axios, Axios, Axios!
Eis polla aeti Despota!
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
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AXIOS!
I pray that this leader will be a shining beacon of light for the Orthodox Christian world, in his speaking up strongly against contemporary immorality and lack of ethics...and that his leadership and example will be a strong force for those Orthodox who need it throughout the world...
In Christ,
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We must all pray that the Patriarch-Elect (to be enthroned on Sunday) will govern the Church with holiness and wisdom, guided by the Holy Spirit. His father and grandfather were both imprisoned by the Communists, and his own record to date is encouraging.
Eis polla eti, Despota!
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Again, I say Axios ! and Prayers !
I am glad at his selection. From what I can tell, he seems to be the right man for the job at this time.
May God bless him as he tries to pastor the Russian Church, which has such great and pressing needs; and then, in addition, to take care of external affairs too.
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Does anyone know how many ROCOR representatives were among the electors?
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This is what the ROCOR website reported as those participating in the election. In IC XC, Father Anthony+ ROCOR Delegates to the Local Council [Pomestny Sobor] of the Russian Orthodox Church
Diocese of Eastern America and New York
Metropolitan Hilarion of Eastern America and New York
Bishop George of Mayfield, Vicar Bishop of the Diocese of Eastern America and New York
Bishop Jerome of Manhattan, Vicar Bishop of the Diocese of Eastern America and New York
Bishop Daniel of Erie, Vicar of the President of the Synod of Bishops for Old Believers
Bishop Ambroise (Cantacuzene)
1. Protopriest Alexey Petrovich Ohotin, Rector of Annunciation Church, New York
2. Archimandrite Luke (Murianka), Abbot of Holy Trinity Monastery, Jordanville, NY
3. Alexei Serafimovich Slobodskoy, Parishioner of St Seraphim Church, Sea Cliff, NY
Diocese of Chicago and Mid-America
Bishop Peter of Cleveland, Administrator of the Diocese of Chicago and Mid-America
1. Protopriest Andre Papkov, Senior Priest of Holy Protection Cathedral, Chicago, IL
2. Archimandrite John (Magramm), Rector of Resurrection of Christ Skete, Fridley, MN
3. Andrei Pavlovich Urtiev, Treasurer of the Diocese of Chicago and Mid-America
Diocese of San Francisco and Western America
Archbishop Kyrill of San Francisco and Western America
Bishop Theodosius of Seattle, Vicar Bishop of the Diocese of San Francisco and Western America
1. Protopriest Alexander Lebedeff, Rector of Transfiguration Cathedral, Los Angeles, CA
2. Peter Alendrovich Karakozoff, Parishioner of the Cathedral of the Mother of God “Joy of All Who Sorrow,” San Francisco, CA
Diocese of Montreal and Canada
Bishop Gabriel of Montreal and Canada
1. Yuri Georgievich Miloslavsky, Administrator of the Chancery of the Diocese of Montreal and Canada
Diocese of Berlin and Germany
Archbishop Mark of Berlin and Germany
Bishop Agapit of Stuttgart, Vicar Bishop of the German Diocese
1. Protopriest Nikolai Artemoff
2. Hegumen Evfimy (Logvinov)
3. Michael Gorachek
Diocese of Great Britain
1. Priest Peter Baulk
2. Vera Alexandrovna McClenaghan
Diocese of Western Europe
Bishop Michael of Geneva and Western Europe
1. Protopriest Pavel Nikolaevich Tsvetkoff, Senior Priest of Elevation of the Cross Cathedral, Geneva, Switzerland
2. Bernard Petrovich le Caro, Member of the Diocesan Council and of the Commission on the New Martyrs Glorified by the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia
Diocese of South America
Bishop John of Caracas, Administrator of the Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia in South America
1. Protopriest Vladimir Nikolaevich Skalon, Rector of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina
2. Igor Nikolaevich Andrushkevich, Parishioner of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina
Diocese of Australia and New Zealand
1. Protopriest Michael Protopopoff, Rector of Church of Our Lady’s Dormition, Dandenong, Australia, Dean of Victoria
2. Abbess Anna (Karipoff), Presentation Sisterhood, Bungarby, Australia
3. Protodeacon Alexander Kotliaroff, Cathedral of SS Peter and Paul, Sydney, Australia [ synod.com]
Everyone baptized into Christ should pass progressively through all the stages of Christ's own life, for in baptism he receives the power so to progress, and through the commandments he can discover and learn how to accomplish such progression. - Saint Gregory of Sinai
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Bishop John of Caracas, Administrator of the Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia in South America
1. Protopriest Vladimir Nikolaevich Skalon, Rector of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina
2. Igor Nikolaevich Andrushkevich, Parishioner of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina Isn't Resurrection Cathedral part of the breakaway ROCOR-PSCA of Bishop Agafangel? Have they now reunited with ROCOR?
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My humble prayers shall be with His Beatitude.
May God grant him many blessed years!
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My humble prayers shall be with His Beatitude.
May God grant him many blessed years! Not to look a gift horse in the mouth, but a Patriarch of Moscow is referred to as 'His Holiness.' A Metropolitan or Archbishop who heads an autocephalous Church (e.g. the Church of Greece) is referred to as 'His Beatitude.' (And just to throw in a related bit of trivia: the Patriarch of New Rome is referred to as 'His All-Holiness.') Fr David Straut
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Bishop John of Caracas, Administrator of the Parishes of the Russian Orthodox Church Outside of Russia in South America
1. Protopriest Vladimir Nikolaevich Skalon, Rector of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina
2. Igor Nikolaevich Andrushkevich, Parishioner of Resurrection Cathedral, Buenos Aires, Argentina Isn't Resurrection Cathedral part of the breakaway ROCOR-PSCA of Bishop Agafangel? Have they now reunited with ROCOR? Apparently not. I must commend you, Pilgrim, for trying to remember with all this ROCOR schism information. Many of us in the Russian Church Abroad are unable to keep up. I do know that recently a parish and Archpriest in Florida returned to us after a brief flirtation with the schismatics. There are getting to be so many "Real" ROCOR /True Russian Orthodox schismatic groups with a handful of parishes each that one despairs of keeping track of all the developments.  The Russians are no different than the Greeks nowadays.  Fr David Straut
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