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To Everyone,

With all due respect, I think most of you have missed the gist of this issue. Abortion is not a matter that will be solved by politics and laws; it is a matter that will only be solved by conversion.

Abortion was legalized in America 1973. After 36 years of protests, elections, and legal actions, it is still legal. That is despite Church teachings, elections, and legal actions. That is because the people of this country --at least half of them-- want abortion.

The conclusion is clear. Abortion is not a matter of law and elections. It is a matter of hearts and minds.

Hence, converting people's hearts and minds will reduce abortions and lead to its ultimate demise.

Therefore, I suggest that we spend less time and energy on politics and law to solve the matter of abortion.

Instead, I suggest that we try more to convert people to a pro-life way of thinking and living. We could do so by being more compassionate, more ascetic, and more prayerful. That was the example of Christ and the martyrs, and it could be our method as well.

Respectfully yours,

-- John

John,

You must have kown the reaction that your post would get on this forum. I do not judge you for your vote, although I disagree. In fact, half of the Catholics in America voted for Obama so I am in disagreement with many people. I pray that the result of the Catholic vote does not end up doing too much permenant damage, though I fear it will.

BTW, I am all for prayer and compassion in an effort to convert people to the pro-life movement, but how do we really expect this to be fruitful if we elect officals that are working against us?

John,

Please allow me to expand on your quote above. DEMAND for abortion will end only when the hearts and minds of the American people have rejected it. However, the federal government and Supreme Court have FORCED it on the American taxpayer and the media has made it part of our American culture and doesn't permit the American people to change its mind. Every Christian should be embarrassed that the USA is a pusher of infanticide. The American government has not just decriminalized abortion, but it has declared it a CONSTITUTIONAL RIGHT to pay a mercenary doctor to kill one's child. AND now, once again, we will bribe other sovereign nations to legitimize abortion and finance it with my taxes and yours. Obama has declared war on the lives of millions of persons in the name of "womens' rights."

Evil has become good and good has been declared as evil and our beloved nation. I will never vote for this! I pray to our merciful One (not the President) that we will abolish this scourge.

Christ has conquered Death!
Fr Deacon Paul

John,

How does your support for a presidential candidate who promised to further enshrine in law the right to abortion including infanticide change hearts to be Pro-Life?

Would not voting for Pro-Life candidates be part of converting people to a Pro-Life way of thinking and living?

Why do you criticize only Pro-Lifers?

You said: “There is more to human life than just being alive. For example, there is the economy.” How many dead babies equals one job?

Helen

Yes. But I didn't want only one side to have a voice in this discussion.

John, all those reasons that you gave are good reasons to vote for someone, but none of them amount to a hill of beans if you were murdered before you were born. Better for them to tie a millstone around their necks....

Alexandr

Nobody has missed the gist of the issue. The issue is life.


Reversing Roe v Wade is a wonderful start.

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And the blood of the holy innocent ones cries out for justice.

That is not a conclusion. That is a justification for voting for pro-death candidates.

Obviously, metanoia is crucial. But when the people see their elected officials supporting murder, they will tend to become de-sensitized.

And that can begin by electing pro-life officials to help institute pro-life laws that protect the voiceless ones.


Of course.

There is only one side---life. A place (the womb) where the child should feel the most protected at any time in his/her life, has been turned into a murder chamber. And they have no choice in the matter. We should all be weeping daily.

Lord have mercy on Obama and his administration.

From the Catholic league:

OBAMA TO FUND U.N. PRO-ABORTION AGENCY

On January 24, President Obama said, “I look forward to working with Congress to restore U.S. financial support for the U.N. Population Fund.” He pledged to do this “in the coming weeks,” maintaining that “It is time that we end the politicization of this [abortion] issue.”

Bill Donohue explains the Catholic League’s response:

“The United Nations Population Fund (UNFPA) claims that it is not pro-abortion. It says that it merely supports ‘reproductive rights.’ Not quite. Starting in 1979, in the first five years of China’s draconian one-child policy, UNFPA gave the program $50 million. To accomplish this goal over the years, which is still ongoing, IUDs have been forced into the wombs of hundreds of millions of women against their will. Indeed, no coercive method is considered taboo, including forced abortion. It was for reasons like these that in 2002 the U.S. State Department blasted China for its affront to human rights. Indeed, Secretary Colin Powell backed the Bush administration’s denial of funds to UNFPA.

“The one-child policy has abetted female infanticide, so much so that there has been a massive decrease in the female population—there are now an estimated 350 million girls missing from China. Other non-white areas of the world where UNFPA concentrates its efforts include Vietnam, Nigeria and Peru. But it can be multicultural: When the genocidal maniac from Serbia, Slobodan Milosevic, wanted to tame his people, he invited UNFPA to help reduce the population of Kosovo; he wasn’t unhappy with the results, nor, of course, the means.

“So here we have it. In the name of women’s rights, UNFPA undercuts women. In the name of eradicating poverty, it eradicates the poor. Moreover, it works closely with anti-Catholic groups. And now Obama wants us to bankroll UNFPA. During a recession, no less. To top things off, he is doing all of this in the name of ending the politicization of issues that he says marked previous administrations. The ironies are as endless as they are priceless.”

Harmon 3110
There is NO discussion!
Abortion is murder perioc!
Stephanos !
"there can be no common ground, when the ground is soaked with innocent blood."

Prayer and compassion are done daily by millions who are fighting abortion. We fight from a faith based front, in our family's upbringing, and within the political establishment.

Marching and protesting is very christian in the sense we do it against abortion. Even Jesus protested. Even Jesus spoke against the political systems of His time and the false teachings of the political establishments that ruled the people in His days. He turned over tables in protest to the abomination of the temple. We must stay tough to the subject.

Yes. We must fight the war that was declared on our children.

John,

If Martin Luther King would have taken your advice blacks still would be riding in the back of the bus and you wouldn't have been able to vote for Barack Obama.

Please re-consider your thoughts based on history.

I suggest you got to http://priestsforlife.org today and watch the "dilation and extraction" video there on the front page. After watching how can one NOT protest and refuse to vote for its advocates?

Thanks for listening,
Fr Deacon Paul

I showed the DVD "Demographic Winter" Tues in Theo 101 at the Un. of St. Francis. I gave them the assignment of thanking parents that they met who had 3 or more children. They reported this morning that they met with many surprised reactions followed by many grateful remarks from these parents along with some very interesting conversations.

It's a small thing but has had a positive effect upon my students and apparently upon the families that these students met.

CDL

Good job, CDL.

As an example of how crazy our culture has become, the parents of large families today are labeled as "fools" and those that are childless are "wise." But then when they become elderly the childless ones are depressed and lonely.

When I visit the nursing homes I see that even those with only one or two who taught them that education and good-paying jobs are the most important things in life have become lonely because their children moved away to find those jobs and are now depressed because they only get a visit once a year from their children. Then when someone passes by that reminds them of their children they beg for attention. How sad.......

Fr Deacon Paul