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#310920 01/28/09 06:26 PM
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Are there any Greek Catholics on this forum whose liturgy is in Greek?
If so what is the correct way to call this type of church (hope I did not get the name wrong)?

All the Greek Catholic churches I have been to use mainly other languages (English/Arabic/Ukrainian).
The only churches I have found serving in Greek are not Catholic. I find this odd since the Liturgy of St John Chrysostom was presumably originaly in Greek.

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The Greek-Catholic Exarchates in Greece and Turkey normally use Greek.

"Melkites" and Italo-Greeks often use Greek to some extent.

In Rome, at the Church of Saint Athanasius (via del Babuino and Via degli Greci) the services are normally in Greek.

There could easily be more of which I am not aware.
Meanwhile, the consideration of which is the original language seldom has any influence on what language a given congregation will use most or all of the time.

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Well, there are one or two Melkite priests who can celebrate the whole Divine Liturgy in Greek.

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Father Serge,

What eparchy/Rite is the Church of Saint Athanasius? (i.e. Italo-Grek? Melkite?)

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In my parish (melkite), pratically all the chanted answers are in Greek.

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Thanks for all the replies.
One reason I was asking is because I am trying to figure out who would have used the Euchologion of Pope Benedict XIV (edit. Rome, 1754). This book was completely in Greek so it seems would not be usable by many churches today.
Maybe there were many more Greek speaking Catholics in the Eighteenth century in the Eastern Mediteranean, but these groups have mostly converted to Greek Orthodox since? Can anyone recommend a book on this subject area?

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At least five parishes in Sicily (which are now in the Eparchy of Piana d. A.) have been using for centuries ad still use the Greek language in the celebration of the Divine Lithurgy. I think that the parishes of the Eparchy of Lungro in the mainland of Italy use the Greek language too.

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Azarius,

in 1754, the Orthodox of the Antiochian, Alexandrian, and Hagiopolite (i.e., of Jerusalem) patriarchates were only praying in Greek.

In 1724 when the Patriarchate of Antioch chose union with Rome, there were only a few places praying in Arabic.

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What do you mean by "few?" We have, as far back as a thousand years before the dates you specify, fragments of the psalter, etc. in Arabic, but in Greek letters. There is actually a grammar of Christian Arabic based on ancient manuscriptes, papyri, etc.

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The Church of Saint Athanasius (in Rome) is directly connected to the Archdiocese of Rome, although various Greek-Catholic hierarchs often serve there - there is an episcopal apartment in the adjacent Pontifical Greek College which a visiting Greek-Catholic hierarch will normally use.

For several centuries there was a "Prelate for the conveying of ordinations according to the Byzantine Rite" in Rome, who would probably have functioned at Saint Athanasius. The last three or four such hierarchs have not been ethnic Greeks. The post has now fallen into abeyance.

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IAlmisry,
I was speaking of the Byzantine rite. I gather you're Coptic, by your name?

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St Georges in B'ham AL uses the Arabic, Greek, and English, with a sprinkling of Slavonic. biggrin

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I have known quite a few Ukrainian priests who are capable of serving in Greek. The Eparchy of Hajdudorog sends many students to the Pontifical Greek College, where they learn liturgical Greek and the chant.

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Originally Posted by Serge Keleher
The Eparchy of Hajdudorog sends many students to the Pontifical Greek College, where they learn liturgical Greek and the chant.

Fr. Serge

By chant, do you mean Greek Byzantine chant?

Regarding the Hungarians and Greek, I remember reading that Pope Pius X tried in vain to force the Hungarian Catholics of the Byzantine Rite to abandon Hungarian in favor of Greek for the Divine Liturgy; Rome still had an absolute horror of the vernacular at that time.

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Of course I mean Greek Byzantine chant. The Pontifical Greek College does not teach Hungarian music.

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