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In a way, I find that stem cell research is worse than abortion. When it comes to abortion, most prochoice people still think that abortion is not a good thing per se. They see it as a tragic necessity. However, with stem cell research, the supporters are enthusiastic about it and they promote it as a positive thing for everyone. No "safe, legal, and rare," rhetoric is needed here. It is very sad and frightening.
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Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!
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I believe you're right. We may be talking past each other. I guess it's because language, to me, is on the sacred side. If we're not careful, we can miscommunicate and that is the beginning of many problems.
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The "leftovers from abortion"--dear God I don't believe I said that--have made a lot of people a lot of money. That's why the industry fights so hard to keep itself going. Some years ago I read a list of products that used the byproducts of abortion and it included several brands of shampoo and bath soap. It made me ill.
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Yes, Bob...it is unfathomable.
Like the Nazis and their tatooed lampshades.
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It's already here: Famous Movie [ imdb.com]
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Yes, Bob...it is unfathomable.
Like the Nazis and their tatooed lampshades. Whaaat? 
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Yes, Bob...it is unfathomable.
Like the Nazis and their tatooed lampshades. Whaaat?  You've never heard of that? Oh yes - some Nazis proudly showed off their tatooed lampshades, made from the skin of their concentration camp victims. "Man is both angel and beast. It is a shame that he would act an angel, often acts the beast."Blaise Pascal
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Dr. Eric:
The documentation for the lampshades is in a book entitled The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich. It's about as big as War and Peace. Throoughly documented.
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. . . there is nothing more desperate or painful than a married couple not being able to conceive...and but for the grace of God go I, or anyone I love . . . ALICE: Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!! But is this not the very point--the point we try to make during Great Lent. It is in accepting the Lord's Will for us that we find happiness. It is precisely because we feel that we must have our own way regardless of what God may be telling us through our biology. It seems to me that we must listen for His Voice in everything that comes along in our lives. And sometimes this means that we suffer in silence when things seem to be opposite to what we want. Soemtimes we suffer with tears in our eyes because that's all that we can do. That whole thread about suffering being our path to glory isn't just pious stuff. It's something that we need to knead into our spirits. Or in the word's of Metropolitan Philaret of Moscow "I worship in silence Thy Holy Will and Thine inscrutible ways." I've wanted many different things to happen in my life. They haven't. Some were beyond my reach. Others were frustrated deliberately by family for one reason or another. But in all things God has been with me. I am absolutely convinced of that. I worship in silence His Holy Will and His inscrutible ways. BOB Dear Bob: With all due respect, and with no intent to be argumentative simply for the sake of being argumentative, how many of those things you wanted to happen in life that did not compare to the sadness brought to a couple who desire to have children but are not able to do so? For those in the married state, other than the gift of salvation, I can think of no greater gift than that of children. Furthermore, I'm not so convinced that the inability of any given couple to conceive should necessarily be explained as the will of God. As someone whose marriage is being frustrated by the inability to conceive, I find your remarks to be more hurtful than encouraging or edifying. Again, I mean no disrespect to you and I'm not trying to be argumentative--I'm just being honest. Ryan
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Moscow, March 10, Interfax - The US President will be held accountable to God for lifting limits on stem cell research, Hieromonk Dimitry (Pershin) believes.
"The democratic president has brought American science back to extensive development. It is not inconceivable that the world will hold another Nuremberg Trial to condemn the destruction of human lives at the embryonic stage of development. But even Obama is unable to escape the Heaven, and the Heaven holds Judgment," Fr. Dimitry, Chairman of the Committee for Biomedical Ethics and Medical Law of the All-Russian Orthodox Youth Movement, said to Interfax-Religion.
According to Fr. Dimitry, "Obama pays those who have voted for him at his elections with human lives which are at the embryonic stage of development."
"Experiments on humans without the voluntary consent of the human subject were practiced in the Nazi Germany and have been banned in 1947 by the Nuremberg Code issued after the Nuremberg Trials and the following Declaration of Helsinki in 1963; however, this ban has never covered the lives of unborn humans. Medical fascism, therefore, has drifted to this area of practice," Fr. Dimitry said.
Fr. Dimitry noted that "we are facing a paradox: "the freest democracy in the world," a guarantor of liberal values, and a complete legal nihilism in stem cell research".
"Ethical norms narrow down the margin of experiments, but thereby they suggest the direction to move forward. Japan has excluded human stem cells experiments, and as a result it became the first country to produce embryonic stem cells from skin. Americans followed them in that and obtained similar results thanks in large part to the ban on human stem cell experiments introduced by a conservative and Christian President Bush Jr.," he said.
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Interesting article: Winning Smugly: You just won the stem-cell war. Don't lose your soulhttp://www.slate.com/id/2213287/?GT1=38002
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It's stupid: embryonic stem cell research. There are stem cells from other sources that can be used.
Superficially, they are doing this for convenience as well as to "justify" abortion.
But I suspect the real reason is the money. You can patent a specific kind of living creature that you've developed for medical research, after all . . .
-- John John, Do you know why the scientific community/industry is so emphatic about EMBRYONIC stem cell research? The processes which will be applied and perfected are instrumental for the future cloning interests. Don't believe the propaganda about not permitting cloning...its just a smokescreen. The government claims presently that PUBLIC FUNDING for cloning is prohibited. However there are no restriction on PRIVATE funding. So, if the bulk of the research is done with taxpayer money a very nice subsidy is provided for private cloning businesses which government can tap into (CIA type stuff). Research it and read between the lines...this line of thinking is not "conspiracy imaginings." The cloning industry can make billions from people who want children who are intelligent..or athletic...or pretty... And what great infantrymen we could clone!! Hey, it sounds like "Star Wars", doesn't it? Fr. Deacon Paul
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And many more host of abominations are to come. Stephanos I PS We are merely reaping the results of the last 30 something + years.
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