|
0 members (),
1,670
guests, and
128
robots. |
|
Key:
Admin,
Global Mod,
Mod
|
|
|
Forums26
Topics35,529
Posts417,658
Members6,181
| |
Most Online4,112
Mar 25th, 2025
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 78
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 78 |
Can anyone explain the flag of the Holy Roman Empire? What's the significance of the bird with two heads? Does one head represent the Pope and the other the Emperor? This bird looks familiar to the bird the Orthodox use on their flags, etc. Is there a connection between the HRE and the Orthodox bird?
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Banner_of_the_Holy_Roman_Emperor_(after_1400).svg
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1 |
The Double Eagle shows that the Empire looks both to the East and to the West. There are recent satirical interpretations as well.
Fr. Serge
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 38
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2009
Posts: 38 |
Last edited by Irish Melkite; 04/03/09 06:34 AM. Reason: convert image tag to url link
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1 |
Thanks for posting that one. Now can someone find the version used by Grand Fenwick?
Fr. Serge
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 78
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: May 2008
Posts: 78 |
Did the Holy Roman Empire us the Byzantine Rite as well? How far east did it stretch? And why was it named "Roman" when it was basically German? Does anyone know what kind of bird is on the flag and what's the significance of that type of bird? I know, I have lots of questions.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 220
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Apr 2002
Posts: 220 |
Thank you for the flag in full color.
This is a test, as I have not been here a while.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,355 Likes: 99
Moderator Member
|
|
Moderator Member
Joined: Nov 2002
Posts: 7,355 Likes: 99 |
IB:
Christ is in our midst!! He is and always will be!!
The full title was "The Holy Roman Empire of the German Nation." They were Latin Church. There may have been some Gallican usage, but the Gallican usage was essentially replaced by the Roman usage by the time fo the 7th Ecumienical Council.
In Christ,
BOB
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Jun 2006
Posts: 5,564 Likes: 1 |
Please note: at the time of the Seventh Ecumenical Council, the "Holy Roman Empire" (which was neither Holy, nor Roman, nor Empire) did not exist.
Fr. Serge
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,036 Likes: 4
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Nov 2007
Posts: 1,036 Likes: 4 |
Thanks for posting that one. Now can someone find the version used by Grand Fenwick? [ Linked Image] Careful not to get confused by the cheap knockoffs sneakily labeled "Gran Enwick" . . . *bad* things could happen . . . see also google image search for Gran Fenwick flag [ images.google.com] hawk
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 147
Member
|
|
Member
Joined: Mar 2006
Posts: 147 |
Did the Holy Roman Empire us the Byzantine Rite as well? How far east did it stretch? And why was it named "Roman" when it was basically German? Does anyone know what kind of bird is on the flag and what's the significance of that type of bird? I know, I have lots of questions. The last dynasty of the real Roman Empire in the East had a double headed eagle as its standard, and this was adopted as the Empire's symbol. The first German ("Holy Roman") Empire adopted it sometime after the fall of Constantinople. The golden eagle was always a sign of the Empire, dating back to ancient times. As mentioned above, the double headed eagle represents the Empire's spanning east and west.
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 10,090 Likes: 16
Global Moderator Member
|
|
Global Moderator Member
Joined: Oct 2003
Posts: 10,090 Likes: 16 |
Thanks for posting that one. Now can someone find the version used by Grand Fenwick? I first enjoyed Wibberly's tale of the Mouse when it appeared as a serialization in the Saturday Evening Post in the '50s - it was a 9 year old's introduction to satiric adult literature. Each issue was eagerly awaited and I scoured an atlas trying to locate the duchy, which I was certain was adjacent to Andorra, San Marino, or one of the other tiny European principalities whose beautiful stamps were prized entries in my album. I so wanted a stamp from Grand Fenwick  Many years, Neil (whose paperback copy still graces his bookshelf)
"One day all our ethnic traits ... will have disappeared. Time itself is seeing to this. And so we can not think of our communities as ethnic parishes, ... unless we wish to assure the death of our community."
|
|
|
|
|
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,994 Likes: 10
Moderator Member
|
|
Moderator Member
Joined: Jan 2003
Posts: 10,994 Likes: 10 |
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Double-headed_eagleApparently, this symbol was used by many throughout history. The continuation of its use as being the symbol of Byzantium/Ecumenical Patriarchate is the one I am most familiar with... Double-headed eagle emblem of the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople (Istanbul), based on insignia of the Byzantine Empire. The head on the left (West) symbolizes Rome, the head on the right (East) symbolizes Constantinople. The cross and orb in the claws symbolize, respectively, spiritual and secular authority. Relief from the Ecumenical Patriarchate of Constantinople buildings. Archbishop Iakovos of the GOA, and of blessed memory, lived in my town, in a house donated to him by a member of the church. On top of his entrance way, there was this emblem of the Byzantine double headed eagle. Alice
|
|
|
|
|
