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"I would not translate "aeon" at all, but leave it as such"
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I agree! The word aeon/eon is part of the English language and can be left untranslated.
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I note some points of agreement with the Ruthenian RDL:
1. Use of Theotokos rather than Mother of God.
2. Use of brothers and sisters in Christ in the petition in the Ektene.
3. Suppression of the Litany and Prayer of Catechumens if there are none present.
4. Suppression of the first Aitesis.
5. The Anaphora is mandated to be taken aloud.
6. The name of Christ is used again at the end of the dismissal. Anafora mandated to be aloud! I gather it is ok to reinvent liturgics because they did it in year whatever, so does that mean I get to go back and change other parts of the church on a whim, like if they didn't fast in the year 300 like they do today, does that mean I can modify fasting because that's how they did it then? No I can't, simply put this notion of an audible anafora and the people saying the amen for the epiclesis is just, just inorganic post-vatican 1970's liturgical development that is running rampant in both the Orthodox AND Byzantine Rite Catholics.
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In every Orthodox liturgy I've attended, the anaphora is said aloud, although unless you're up at the front, you might not hear most of it. I'm not sure what's controversial about this.
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The controversy is that the Anaphora is now not just a prayer but a teaching tool. It must be taken aloud in a loud voice to teach. Father David Petras also said on this forum that unless the Anaphora is prayed aloud the people's "Amen" doesn't mean anything. He bought into all the worst of the worst after the Roman Catholic Vatican II reform and has spent all these years forcing it on us. He doesn't realize that his ideas destroy parishes.
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In every Orthodox liturgy I've attended, the anaphora is said aloud, although unless you're up at the front, you might not hear most of it. I'm not sure what's controversial about this. Do you even know what I mean by silent anafora? Scroll down to the anaphora [ ocf.org] . When the Priest chants "singing shouting proclaiming and Saying" The people sing the Holy Holy. When they stop singing the Holy Holy you hear the priest say "Take eat.." The people say "Amen." Then the Drink of this all of you... People: Amen. Then the people sing the Tebe Pojem/We praise thee. The next thing you hear is "Especially for our most holy, pure, blessed, and glorious Lady, the Theotokos and ever virgin Mary.." The priest still says those prayers, he just says them quietly as the liturgicon says to do.. so while the choir is singing the Holy Holy the priest is saying silently the prayers.. it's not silent in a sense that the priest isn't saying the prayers. He's just saying them while the people are singing. It's ok, while you may haven't experienced it, almost every Orthodox Church I've been to has done it.
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"Do you even know what I mean by silent anafora?"
Why yes, yes I do, and I repeat: In every Divine Liturgy, and that would be in several different jurisdictions, the anaphora has been audible.
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I believe that our Moderator Alice has mentioned that at her Greek Orthodox church they do the Anaphora and "Amens" in the manner described her for the Melkite Liturgy.
When we've had visiting Ruthenian priests offering the Liturgy at our parish this has been a point of confusion (they didn't say the Anaphora aloud, and were suprised at our saying "Amen").
Peace and God bless!
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I believe that our Moderator Alice has mentioned that at her Greek Orthodox church they do the Anaphora and "Amens" in the manner described her for the Melkite Liturgy.
Peace and God bless! Yup, the Priest does at my particular parish. The manner in which he conducts the Divine Liturgy is always most moving...because he really, really feels it and it is quite obvious how much.
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"Do you even know what I mean by silent anafora?"
Why yes, yes I do, and I repeat: In every Divine Liturgy, and that would be in several different jurisdictions, the anaphora has been audible. I repeat, not everyone does it. I would guesstimate that there are priests on this website that serve liturgy in the above method. I would guesstimate there are priests that would serve it otherwise on this site. I know there are priests that read this site that belong to jurisdictions that would penalize a priest for not using the anaphora I wrote about above.
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